Posted on Mar 12, 2018
SPC David Willis
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I did some math the other day using the $70 million dollars CO takes in from weed taxes. The rough average expense for hiring a new police officer is about 100k I went on the high side to stay conservative. That would come out to 700 LEOs hired in the first year. That number would go down every year. Eventually no additional police could be hired using just the tax money, but with the average salary of a police being roughly 55k/yr about 1200 police would be in a job because of the taxes. IN just so happens to have roughly 1200 public schools. Now the numbers of taxable weed sales and police salary would vary from state to state but it seems like a very easy solution and to be honest it could be one of the least controversial solutions. Trained guns in every school at no additional cost to people who chose not to partake in cannabis consumption.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
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The real problem is that whenever a revenue source is created the money never goes for what it was intended, I.E. Lottery, Gas tax, etc etc etc. Politicians always find a away to steal the money.
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SPC David Willis
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Too true pork and ear marks...
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1SG Dennis Hicks
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SPC David Willis - Paying off sexual assault under the table settlements etc. :)
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SPC David Willis
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1SG Dennis Hicks - Haha very true... super disappointing.
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LT Charles Baird
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Pot should already be legalized - just like Hemp should not be an issue - especially with all the uses for each of these plants - but then again if they were both legalized it would probably put the pharmaceutical companies out of business.

As for funding police in schools - leave that to the states and local municipalities - not the Federal
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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I am already for legalizing recreational MJ federally. Economically it makes sense. Heck, legalizing ALL drugs and then taxing and regulating them would be more than enough to pay for Universal Health Care - which would cover any medical issues arising from any potential increase in drug-related problems.

As for more cops, I don't think we really need any more - we really need to use the ones we have more wisely. We've slipped into an us v them mentality when it comes to policing, and that's the wrong answer. We need to get back to community-oriented policing where the police are a PART of the community they are protecting and serving. We need fewer cops worrying about whether you're doing 40 in a 30 and more who are walking the streets and talking to the people.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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SPC David Willis - I get that. I think school shootings are a by-product of greater societal issues and until we address those, no amount of security is going to stop soft-targets from being shot up.
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SPC David Willis
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MAJ Bryan Zeski - Well then we could direct the money to those issues as well.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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I totally agree on legalizing drugs. The first thing it does is take the profit motive away from all those selling and killing each other, and at least the addict can get a product that he can be reasonably sure of the strength and purity. If you look at the end of Prohibition, the murder rate plummeted in this country and didn't start rising again until the new prohibitions against drugs started hot and heavy.
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SPC David Willis
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CPT Lawrence Cable - 100% agree.
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If all taxes went to fund police in schools would you be for legalizing recreational marijuana federally?
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1SG Civil Affairs Specialist
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I find it interesting and curious that the same people who are for legalizing pot for recreational consumption are against tobacco and vaping in public spaces, saying that they are a health hazard.
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SPC David Willis
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Well I'm all for its legalization but I wouldn't want people smoking it in Burger King or anything. I think it should be treated like alcohol. No public consumption except for in designated pot bars.
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MSgt John McGowan
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1SG Jerrt Healy—- I also have wondered about the health risk of pot. Second hand smoke stinks and bad for you. What about pot. And how will the military be treated where pot is legal. Use or not? The pot would be legal. There is one catch in al this. How many lives were ruined when pot was illegal? Laws change, crimes doesn’t.
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SPC David Willis - I am also a fan of the Law of Unintended Consequences, particularly as it pertains to tax policy.
Here in Minnesota, there was much ado about getting first Minneapolis to go smoke free in bars and restaurants, then St Paul (because patrons voted with their feet) then the two core metro counties, then eventually the entire state. Much was made of all of the "money saved" (although as a bar GM at the time, we installed smoke eaters at great expense to comply with an intermediate law), but what the proponents didn't account for is how big a hit the state budget took when collection of cigarette taxes declines with it.

Don't like that example? See Seattle re: $15 an hour or fuel mileage mandates vs the highway transportation fund.

Anyway, the legalize pot crowd, especially those who think we should divert any revenue garnered into an unrelated area, are in for a nasty surprise if they get their way. It will only encourage the black market to go quasi-legit (a money-laundering avenue if ever there was one) and encourage means to evade said taxes.

My thoughts are simple: if the public thinks that putting cops in schools is a good investment of tax dollars, they will support it. I am dubious of this, given the state of investment in public schools in many areas.
Likewise, if legalizing pot is super awesome (and we have several models now in states that have done so) then it will also happen.
Don't tie the two together with specious arguments about where all this magic money will be spent to solve unrelated, intractable problems.
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SPC David Willis
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1SG (Join to see) - Well tax money is almost always unrelated to where it ends up. Colorado's money goes to schools currently and it seems to be working by most unbiased accounts.
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SMSgt Thor Merich
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Bad idea, most people forget that marijuana used to be legal. As well as cocaine, heroin and other drugs. They became illegal when their negative impact on society became unbearable. I have no doubt that weed will become legal throughout the U.S. in the near future. And then it will revert back to being illegal in 20-30 years after doing much damage.

However, I do applaud your out of the box thinking to address out school security issue.
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I agree! I'm for prohibition. But just because we made alcohol legal doesn't mean we need to double down on MJ and make a bad situation worse. Sure, just have your fun and let the government take care of you with free healthcare, free needles, free money at retirement. Who wouldn't like to just stay home fat, dumb, and happy smoking pot and letting the government take care of you. Personal responsibility is for suckers!

You can make the same arguments that were made to end prohibition but it still won't keep people from abusing it. So legalizing cocaine and heroin, is that what's next? Where do you draw the line? Where to you allow people free will? Why is murder not legalized? Where does it end? Who gets to say? Should we vote on a slate of items every four years on what is legal or not- like we do presidents. Maybe we will have bigger turnouts. Where do you draw the line between what should be legal and what shouldn't?
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SPC David Willis
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COL (Join to see) - Who uses needles for pot? I feel like you have a very unrealistic idea of who the average marijuana user is... If your slipper slope goes from legalizing weed to legalizing murder we probably cant have anything close to a decent conversation so have a good day sir.
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I agree, cause your math doesn't add up. You can't cherry pick what numbers you want to recognize. There are some very smart statisticians that can do the math. Are you making a moral argument or a fiscal argument?
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COL (Join to see) - Fiscal. $70 million dollars collected by CO, that's not a fake number. There are huge financial benefits to legalization and it takes money out of the pockets of illegal drug dealers and saves money in the justice system. But Id love to hear how legalization of marijuana will lead to the legalization of murder, please go down that route.
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Absolutely not, and never for the military. I have seen the effects of marijuana in Vietnam.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana
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SPC David Willis
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Many of the side effects can occur from drinking as well. I understand your experience with it is largely negative, but Id also want to know if there were any studies out there that studied marijuana use in a combat zone compared to marijuana use while sitting on your couch at home. Outside factors can greatly impact how a substance impacts you. I would never be ok with using it on the job or while deployed (much like alcohol) but studies have consistently shown private or social use is not too much different that private or social use of alcohol.
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SPC David Willis - It depends on which studies you look at. The military witnessed what I did about marijuana use in a combat zone and stateside, and that is why it will never be legalized in the military. Many folks drink alcohol in a safe manner, but some do not. The same way with marijuana. During my civilian career, we had random drug tests, and folks were fired for drug or alcohol use. I had a friend, that left to go to work elsewhere. This person killed two people with her vehicle and admitted to marijuana use shortly before using her vehicle.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/how-does-marijuana-use-affect-school-work-social-life
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
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Sgt (Join to see) - Many folks drink alcohol in a safe manner. True. Many people don't. Also true. Same goes with MJ in both cases. I don't understand why one is legal (arguably the more dangerous one) and one is not. It's not about safety - it's about money.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski - I have witnessed the bad effects in a combat zone and at MCB 29 Palms. I have also had a friend who killed two people with a vehicle after smoking marijuana. My answer will always be no.
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SPC David Willis Think there should be a few more options. I agree with whoever said we don't need more police, and I'm unsure if we really need to fund police in schools. When we had a plane crash into the twin towers airport security became a huge deal. Why can't we have that type of security on our public schools? With this type of income, you could do away with school systems all together, and have a laptop for every child, pay teachers to work from home, computer technicians to help out students at their house. Then lecture in small settings, have sports teams etc for social functions. That's off on a huge tangent, anyhow, I guess I would say I am against it.
SGT Carl Blas
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In the 60's and 70's weed was the gateway to harder drugs on the street, that information came from the hard drug users that I spoke too, and there were many on the street at that time and place, murder was a common thing, like once a week or more attached to drug use.
In 1973 DMZ Korea, most smoked weed in the platoon, openly and not, hell even the Lt. smoked weed. MJ costed $2 legal size envelope, $5-5# sugar bag, $30 Pillow case, and $50 duffle bag, it was very cheap there, as well as hard liquor, $8 Chavez scotch, all others $2.
I've seen where on patrol some stupid higher then a kyte solder started shooting up the place because a rabbit ran across him while we layed on ambush, north of the fence. Everyone started shooting at anything, we even called in 105's for flares and HE, but the rabbit got away.
Later on, we all laughed because the North Koreans probably shit in their pants, and got out of NoMan's Land that night in a hurry. The ROK platoon on patrol that night later told us, "You F??ken GI's, you got the whole f??king line on alert, we all laughed and told them we were hunting for rabbits.
The weed use in the platoon then lead to the use of OJ's (MJ laced with Opium cigarettes) $20 for a pack of 20 cigarettes, 2 drags on one of those brought the platoon into LaLa land, in Technic Color, that numbed your brain. I could see why a lot of men didn't want to come back to the world, and get their heads straight.
Long story short, I just wanted to tell you the progression from weed to a harder drug, with living proof. We could of all got killed out there on ambush that night, just because of weed use, and maybe that rabbit saved all of our lives, and the North Korean's lives too.
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SGT Matthew Sesar
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It’s all bullshit, we are having the conversations they want us to have. There is more than enough of our money to fund security for our schools. If anybody wants to argue that, I’m all ears.
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SGT Matthew Sesar
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I want them to take money from somewhere else. Mainly out of their on pockets. Then they can stop giving aid to other country’s.
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SPC David Willis
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Sure, but this is a way to get the money without taking it from other places. I agree with you we should cut back on foreign spending, but if we can use a new revenue source it wont need to be debated as much which means schools get safer faster.
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SGT Matthew Sesar
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Hope they do.
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SPC Joseph Wojcik
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But aren't cops all "evil racists"?
I'd rather minimize taxes AND prohibitions, and instead leave it up to states on how to handle security in their indoctrination centers.
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