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I think being non deployable is the worst thing in the Army. Nothing worst than watching your Soldiers board the plane to deploy and you are in the rear.
I used to work for a SFC that was non deployable and couldn't even wear her vest lol. I was like seriously, why are you even here? Why are you training us on anything and will not be there when it matters the most?
In my eyes if you are non deployable i don't see why the Army doesn't start a chapter packet on the SM or Leader and send them to the house.
There is another way for the Army to downsize right there.
I think you shouldn't be able to get promoted either. Deploying is the biggest and main part of the being a Soldier. Going to war when needed. If you can't go to war or the freaking field for a field problem then why should you be promoted?
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I once had a Plt Sgt who told me to never pass up a good opportunity to shut the fuck up and really think about how you want to express your thoughts...

Was good advice
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SFC Bde Mobility Nco
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Glad I'm not you. To bad he told you to shut the fuck up though. That's not cool
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You are obviously uneducated on the bigger picture of how the Army operates. It takes all kinds of Soldiers behind the scenes that keep the warfighter functioning on and off the battlefield. I have deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan and now work at a Staff position in Corps facilitating the war fighters who are heading down range. Because I am unable to deploy again because of medical reasons this makes me a sub par soldier in your eyes. It is idiots like you that give the Army a bad name. How can you take care of soldiers with a view point like that? I wonder how someone like you ever became an NCO in the first place.
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Im far from uneducated on the bigger picture of the Army. It does not take 50,000 Soldiers behind the scenes battle. No does not make you a sub par Soldier but i will tell you this if Im down range and you in the rear with the gear, there should be a block on the NCOer stating that I am continuing to make sacrifices and you are going home at night with your family.
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IMO, if you can't deploy, you should be separated. Get out, get the treatment you need, etc. RCP is a waste of $. Why let a Soldier stay in that's non dep? Then not promote them? They'll be allowed to stay in, prolonging the inevitable. This isn't to say non deployable Soldiers aren't good leaders, etc. Our job is to be deployable. If you cant, then you need to get out, get the help you need, and get a job that doesn't require you to deploy. Respectfully.
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PO1 Rodney Bracey
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I have served with plenty of non deployable personnel. Their professionalism is a non issue. In fact, most non deployables often work harder because they know they may take one on the chin during fitrep/eval periods for not deploying.
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SP5 Roberta Sanchez
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No promotions if non-deployable? It depends on why they are non-deployable. If a person has an injury, it is a lot different than someone who is a Beetle Baily. It is not fair to penalize a combat veteran or someone who carries an injury in the performance of their duties because they can no longer deploy. There is no place in combat for an injured person, but it sure cause a lot of people to be injured.
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50,000 non deployable SM in the army. what are we going to do about it?
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I was medically discharged because I was non deployable. I can see both sides of this coin, I was a career NCO and wanted to finish my time in uniform. Yes, I was deemed medically non deployable but why get rid of a soldier who wanted to serve and was capable of training and helping junior soldiers ?
I spent the bulk of my career in the Engineer Regiments and was given the option to recalls or get out I declassed and was still put out. I worked hard to train my soldiers and foster the values we all should hold close, instead of being allowed to stay and continue I was boarded and sent packing. Some of my junior soldiers were left with poor leadership filling my slot. I knew I wouldn't deploy but wanted my troops to know they were trained and prepared to my fullest ability.
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That's too black and white for be a policy. Concept makes a little sense but definitely not practical. I am currently non deployable for the first time in 17 years and 5 deployments for the next 60 days for my hearing H3 profile, I definitely don't think I should be chaptered.
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SSG there will be exceptions to the rule. Combat related injuries, years in service. I believe a NCO with 17+ years should be able to retire if deemed that the injury will not improve. Something like hearing will never comeback (i dont think) If i was assisting in making this policy that would be in there
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I got what your saying, but it shouldn't be a blanket "non depoyable good bye...except for these guys". I understand your gonna run into those Soldiers milking it, if anything, QMP should pay attention to this when reviewing files.
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SPC Bryan Guzman-Piedra
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While I don't think Non-deployable soldiers should necessarily be in the army, what you are suggesting is punishing people for what amounts to being injured. That's not cool, it makes me wonder how you would treat an injured soldier in your formation.
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SMA seems to agree. Actually what I said is better. At least i say keep them in and they are non promotable. SMA just gonna send them home. Doesnt matter to me as long as we do one or the other. 50,000 NON DEPLOYABLE SOLDIERS!!!!! Enough said. Pack em up and ship them home.
Also you need read everything because i already stated that combat injuries would be an exception to the rule.
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SPC Bryan Guzman-Piedra
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It is not that I completely disagree with you SFC. It's your presentation. You said so much and got across so little.

I certainly believe that soldiers who are obviously faking injuries(a few of which I've had the misfortune of dealing with), fat soldiers that refuse to change, and others who simply don't meet any standard should be sent to the couch. I'm all about it.

But you said NON DEPLOYABLE. Which encompasses quite a bit. Including soldiers who were injured during training(PT, field problems, and other events). Maybe we should apply some critical thinking to this instead of saying pretty much anything you suggested. I also don't think SMA Daly's opinion on the matter is necessarily something you should rest your position on.
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50,000 non deployable Soldiers in the Army today. Its time to clean house. Like it or not. Will there be exceptions to the rule? Yes. But there is no way to justify 50,000 Soldiers in the rear with the gear.
SMA said the same thing, NON DEPLOYABLE and everyone is giving him kudos.
I propose that non deployable Soldiers are flagged from promotion (depending on injury , how and when the injury happened). On the NCOer there should be a block that says if a NCO is deployable or not with a section to explain why.
I also think these 50,000 Soldiers, once cut down will help our slow dragging promotion system for our junior and senior NCOs.
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SP5 Roberta Sanchez
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Non-deployable soldiers are still useful to the mission as long as their attitude and brain is right. They can train, mentor and boost morale. Separate a combat veteran against their will and you will have a bitter veteran. Do we really need bitter veterans? This does not apply to the dead weight. They should have gone at the first indication of bad attitude.
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Nothing gets people fired up in the Army more than PT and profiles.
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MSG Alfred Aguilar
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It would appear SFC, that you have opened a can of worms...
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I agree, but some won't hear you SFC. The military is a buisness and if you can't be used then you should be transitioned out. I say transitioned because saying chaptered is a little harsh to some sensitive ears and it's more so saying hey thanks for your service rather than saying goodbye Im finished using you.
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I totally disagree with your whole paragraph. My husband and I are both active duty 92Gs (cooks). I have been in the army longer than my husband and due to standing on his feet for long periods of times, working six days out of a week, no three days, no four days, no company get together's, no holidays have made my husband's arches fall. My husband is no longer deployable but not once have I made him feel less of a man because he can not do certain simple tasks such as running after his son, playing football or basketball. My husband knows that his military career is almost at a crossroad and at the end of the day he still have figure out how he's going to provide for our family. In my eyes I don't feel the Army should just start a chapter packet and send him home because he's still a good leader that constantly helps SM out in their time in need even though he can not help them on the battlefield he still helps them in their garrison life.

Also, when you said that "the SFC couldn't even wear her vest lol". That was just plain ole mean. You try being a female in the army constantly worrying about water weight, baby weight and so forth. I also used to work for a SGT who due to pregnancy had to get a C-section, two breast reductions and other surgeries from being just a female. That SFC could be going through some serious medical problems to were she can't lose weight and you think its funny. Not cool at all.
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MSG Scott McBride
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Agreed with some of what you say; I am a retired MSG with countless deployments and FTXs in the duffle. Nothing pissed me off more than a Soldier who could not deploy for one reason or another. However, we have Soldiers, great Soldiers, who cannot deploy for serious health reasons...such as chrones...in my opinion, those Soldiers who are nondeployable but are motivated and continue to make our Army better, then they can serve us in other capacities. Those who are just "riding it out" need to be put out. Army Strong!
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I totally disagree I was non-deployable at one point for something that was beyond my control (a heart condition) but I stayed in kept working with my provider to get downgraded and I deployed last year and have been home a little over two months... I feel like your post is a bit insensitive, and it's the army's choice whether those soldiers are fit to stay in or not. Not ours so I think none of us should pass judgement, because if they are still in, in a non-deployable status someone above them made that call. It's a process to be able to stay in and be non-deployable and its not fair to say they should be held back in the career because of that, in some instances their no -deployable status is due to their service ...
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Just as your comment about people on a profile, I think you are painting with a broad brush. There are plenty of units that don't require someone to deploy to be effective. Is the guy pulling security at home base less valuable than the guy pulling security at a deployed location? Is the cyber operations guy, hacking an enemy network from the states, worth less than an infantry guy in country? Is the guy left in charge of the rear echelon a less capable leader because he has to take care of all the families left behind, in addition to any soldiers left behind, and whatever tasks higher headquarters has, instead of being in a firefight?

Would you further break your assessment down into "deployed directly into a firefight", "deployed to a FOB", or "deployed to a forward location, but not to the country itself (such as the gulf area, attached to the Combined Air Operations Center, manning the Patriot batteries, or training our Arab allies)"?
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Would you want me to train you & your troops? Here's my run down; Airborne, Air Assault. Rams Head Device, CIB, Anti armor, explosives, sniper, cls, early warnng and traps, nbc nco, mechanic, 2 year stint as a drill sgt, light infantry, medium infantry, heavy infantry. My unit deployed ft dix decided I needed to put out because of military caused hearing loss my chain of command fought with dix for 3 weeks to take me with them. Dix keboshed that one, the day I left them for home my chain of command did a pass & review on me should I mention that I was a pfc at the time (8 year break in service) this was in 2010. On rear det. I did 6 COC inventories went through 3 CO's had a 1sgt. that sent me to a MMRB with no paperwork or NCO accompaniment. I received no awards no schools no promotions even though I was doing the job of the motor sgt. that's a SFC position isn't it. I also received no drill pay for 9 months and had to pay back the 3 months of active predeployment pay twice. All while my troops where over there without me. Are there profile pogues, you bet there is. The NCO's in charge of them are responsible for getting them out. It took the one's in charge of MAR2 decisions until roughly May 2014 to decide I am retainable and deployable, are there SM's who are non deployable who are worth retaining you bet their is. I've had SFC's work with me and tell me I should outrank them, I go to schools and training courses the instructors task me out as assistant instructor for the class. What I'm getting at is some bad experiences with non deploables does not mean they are the standard usually they are the exception, "the bad apple in the barrel if you will. I hope I have enlighted you and maybe made you think a little bit yes you are entitled to your opinion but that opinion should be with all the facts and circumstances in front of you for an informed decision. God speed on your journey SFC Demond.
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I concur
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I would say if you are non-deployable for reasons that the military did not somehow cause (like coming up hot on urine analysis or lautenberg amendment) then yes, you should not be promoted. However, if say you got hit by a mortar and are recovering you are non-deployable but you should be eligible for promotion. The shade or gray is those who are injured due to non-military functions. If you get hurt skiing and break leg, but you have a passing APFT within the last six months and meet all schooling requirements, etc. Then what?
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SP5 Roberta Sanchez
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When I was in one could be awarded a Article 15 for damaging government property is one injured oneself off duty. Seriously! It happened twice.
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In today’s Army not everybody is being sent forward to get the job done. In my MOS I am fortunate to be able to conduct my business from the rear and not always have to be sent into combat, however I am part of a team and it is rare for the entire team to have to go forward. Usually it is a strong leader in the front and a strong leader in the rear. this being said I do believe that it should be a stipulation on specific positions you can fill and units you can be assigned. I am all for the army weeding out the people that can’t cut it anymore however in my opinion physical profiles is definitely not the place to start looking to separate one from the military especially if that is where they were injured.
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While I can understand how one would argue that "non-deployable" Soldiers are essentially "dead weight", let's not forget how quickly you can become non-deployable (profiles and flags can cause this easily) and postpartum Soldiers are non-deployable.

Surely, you mean to talk about those who are on permanent profiles or have other medical conditions that put them on a "permanent, non-deployable" status?

It seems you have a lot of emphasis on whether or not the individual can deploy, while ASSUMING that being non-deployable means the Soldier has no combat experience or competency.

I would have to ask you if you felt that this should mean that senior leaders who make a mistake that would normally result in a PFC being chaptered should also be chaptered (w/o retirement)?

Since you brought up personal experiences, I had a 1SG who, on the -morning- we are boarding the buses to hit the tarmac and leave for deployment, flipped his truck (due to DUI). the MSG who assumed the duties was on his first deployment ever.

Did we help the Army "downsize"? Of course not. 1SG lost his diamond and stayed in the Army (deployed with the next BN in our Bde, as a MSG).

None of this really means anything, in the long run, on how Soldiers' experiences can help units prepare for deployment. Hell, sometimes you still have deployable Soldiers on rear-D because that's where they are needed. Not deploying with your forces might suck or otherwise make you feel bad, but being on rear-D is certainly not a "bad thing."
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Sarge, a status of "non-deployable" isn't a career ender, and shouldn't be. In many cases, even a 999M isn't a permanent designation.
I do agree with you on promotion, though. A non-deployable soldier should not be promoted, until his or issue is resolved.
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Not a good reason. Working as a former Paralegal, I have seen all sorts of issues. There are many reasons why a Soldier cannot deploy. You have to consider the reason, the length, and their work performance. For example, if a Soldier was injured jumping out a plane conducting Airborne Operations and could not deploy for 20 weeks, you would punish them? Worse, it compounds the issue and the Soldiers may no longer be motivated and cause further problems. Just because a person deploys, does not mean they are a good Soldier. A system is already set to to handle a range of issues. It's not the best, but to say no across the board dampens the overall morale.
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I can understand your reasoning SFC Thomas and I respect your opinion, but I have to respectfully disagree with your opinion in regards to starting a chapter packet for non deployable SM.

Its true that being a soldier and deploying go hand in hand, but if the SM or Leader was proficient in their MOS it would be a waste to get rid of this soldier who has the skills necessary to help develop the soldiers appointed under them into leaders and teachers themselves.

As for promoting these non-deployable SM its fair to have that shortcoming taken into account when considering promotion.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Not every MOS needs to be deployable to be 'needed' or "necessary".....
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Valid point, sir. I remember one of my Drill Sergeants stated that deploying wasn't necessary for their MOS and that's why they never did.
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I'm assuming you mean soldiers outside of a standard "nondeployable unit".
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My opinion is that if you are nondeployable you should not promote past E-6 or 0-3 senior leadership in the active component should understand how to go down range, why we train like we do and what it means to check the prepared for deployment box
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On top of it all, you ONLY deployed ONCE during over 13 years of combat?!?!?!? AND that was to Iraq in 2009-2010 when there were slim to NO HOSTILITIES?!?!??!?! WOW What a JOKE!!! LMAO!!!
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MSG,

And I'm unprofessional. So because i didn't list all my deployments on my profile I am a joke? If you want me to Ill list all my deployments up there. Its not a big deal to me. Do i need to send you a copy of my ERB also?
This is a prime example of people taking topics and opinions personal. Its not that serious, i stated my opinion others stated theirs. I either agree or disagree. Its really that simple.
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1SG Shawn Herzog
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It's not personal with me either, however it IS MY profession and MY opinion as well. As for your deployments, no I don't need an ERB, I could care less honestly. I only stated that as it seems you spent some good time updating everything else on your profile (including dates of rank, etc...) so I figured that MAY be your only deployment, not very impressive... why would you list only that one? Just curious. Nevertheless, I'm done with this conversation, not going to argue or debate, again simply stated my opinions.
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We'll have numerous deployments under my belt. I know what I have done, can, and will do. I feel one way about this topic and u feel another. I standby my opinion
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SFC Thomas, I have to say that I admire your passion and commitment to the Army's mission, but to be that short sighted is quite concerning. I have deployed four times in my career. Twice as an 11B and twice as a 27D. Three of those deployments where on a P2 Profile. I went on Permanent Profile in 2005 due to injuries sustained during my first tour. I have dealt my whole career since with other saying that Soldier's on Permanent Profile where useless or wouldn't make good leaders. I seriously disagree with that. If anyone told me that I was less of a Leader or less of a Soldier simply because I was on Permanent Profile I would punch them in the throat.

I fully agree that deploying in support of the Army's mission is one of the most important things that a Soldier can do and you're right, it is main purpose behind being a Soldier. However, just because a Soldier is non-deployable that doesn't make them useless. There are certainly those among our ranks that actively try to not deploy and those are the Soldiers that should be barred from reenlistment, but there are other contributing factors that have to be taken into consideration. To simply say that if you haven't deployed or non-deployable that you should not be promoted or afforded other opportunities is a pretty toxic frame of mind.
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SFC Van Natta,
I never said they were useless. My opinion is that if you are non deployable you shouldn't be in front of the formation because you will not be with your Soldiers down range. Its plenty of places people can serve who can't deploy.
I also don't think its fair that people on rear D get to attend classes, promotion boards, and all of that stuff.
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So the NCO's chosen to take the Rear D Leadership positions should not be allowed to progress simply because they had to fill a role selected by the command?

It's obvious you have never filled a Rear-D NCOIC position SFC Thomas. Having done that and being deployed as a PSG I would much rather be deployed as it's a lot less stress, less headaches, and less BS.
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SsG Schroeder,

Nope didn't say that. i also stated earlier in one of my replies. That there are slots that need to filled on rear D who are selected by CSM and the commander. Rear D leaderships.
You are right I have never filled a Rear-D leadership role and i never said it wasn't hard either.
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SFC Thomas, if I read your original post correctly you said "In my eyes if you are non deployable I don't see why the Army doesn't start a chapter packet on the SM or Leader and send them to the house". So yes you did imply that non-deployable Soldiers are useless. I agree that NCOs should lead from the front and lead by example, but being on a permanent profile or non-deployable does not make someone any less of a Leader or Soldier. Deployment is not a prerequisite for promotion nor should it be. Time in service, time in grade, education (both military and civilian), and leadership experience is what matters. Leadership experience doesn't have to come from downrange. Combat Arms MOSs are different on that aspect. As a former 11B I fully understand that, but deployments to not create Leaders. We all know a Soldier or two that deployed, did a horrible job, maybe even got an Article 15, got demoted, and disgraced his or her unit. So, those deployment stripes on their uniform don't mean a damn thing. Deployable or not, Soldiers/NCOs can still lead and train their subordinates, they can still mentor their peers, and they can still advise and support their superiors. Every Soldier that is deserving of a leadership role should be afforded that opportunity regardless of deployable/non-deployable status.
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Has anyone ever heard of CPT Scotty Smiley? In 2005, he was wounded in Iraq and lost his eyesight. He is the Army's first legally blind active duty officer. A medical review board found him both physically and mentally fit to continue serving on active duty.

Despite his blindness, he earned a Master of Business Administration from Duke University's Fuqua School of Business. A graduate of the U.S. Military Academy, he went on to teach military leadership at West Point and to command the Warrior Transition Unit at West Point's Keller Army Medical Center. He also earned the Army's prestigious MacArthur Leadership Award, which recognizes junior officers who demonstrate the ideals espoused by Gen. Douglas MacArthur: duty, honor, country.

He is now a Major and since 2012, has been serving as Assistant Professor of Military Science at Gonzaga University in Spokane, WA.

There are plenty of jobs a non-deployable SM can do that will benefit the Army and prepare those who are deployable.
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I didn't say non deployable Soldiers were useless or benefit the Army. I did say that they should not be in leadership position with Soldiers they are not going to deploy with. I did say that should be part of the criteria when it comes to downsizing. I did say that they are other parts of the Army they could be used at.
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I didn't say you said that. Some others had though.
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If you are non-deployable, I don't see any reason why they can't get promoted. But, if they cannot be deployed, then they should be getting medically retired or just getting put out on regular medical, depending on why they are non-deployable.
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Well how about this SGT Bailey. How about if you don't deploy with your unit, you shouldn't be able to get promoted or attend NCOES until the unit returns.
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Well SFC Thomas, your topic can go so many directions. After reading several of the other posts even considering what I have said, I still stand by if a SM in the US military is non-deployable, they should be put out on a medical discharge. Now privileges of promotion and NCOES, that would depend on are they a dirtbag or are they an outstanding Soldier. I have known people who are nondeployable and they are outstanding Soldier, and I have known some straight up dirtbag. Now an NCOES School such as ALC, someone who is nondeployable, why would they want to go, depending on your MOS, it is extremely demanding, and someone in that situation couldn't make it if they were really that broke.
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So SFC, what if you were deployed and were injured out in the field? Does the SPC who saved lives by putting his own in danger not deserve promotion?
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You don't get hurt because you are a truck driver. You should tell a Combat Arms Soldier that he should go home because he can't deploy due to his face being blown up.
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No SFC Barraque not because I'm a truck driver. I don't get hurt because i take care of myself if you must know. MOS has nothing to do with it.
And if I was the person to make those calls I would make that call. I would tell him/her thank you for your service but its time to find a new profession. The Army does it all the time. Its nothing new.
Hell, they can even stay in I would just move them somewhere like the reception or something of that nature.
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1SG Shawn Herzog
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SFC Thomas, you are so truly ignorant! You say you "stay in shape" or "take care of yourself". I'm sure your MUST be a FOBBIT truck driver and DO NOT go out with your Soldiers and lead convoys! As if you did, you would know the probability of being hit by an IED, VBIED or otherwise injured while out on the road is extremely high, especially as a truck driver. I was a truck driver on all 7 of my deployments and it was no joke, especially in Iraq in 2005. So, you speak for your self with ignorant comments!
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SFC Bde Mobility Nco
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11 y
First of all MSG Herzog I only speak for myself. I never said that I speak for anyone else.
Second I have been blown up from an IED.
Third I roll out on every mission. I have never been a FOBBIT, POG, or anything other non professional name you can think of and yet you call me ignorant and unprofessional. Now if i insult you like you are doing me then you want to say im disrespectful. I refuse to stoop down and play that game.
You either agree with me or you don't MSG.
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SSG Michael Hathaway
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While I can understand your statement from a certain point of view, I do not think it is really professional as it is not specific enough and will certainly be offensive to some. All those who are not deployable have their reason, most everyone is different. Yes, granted there are those who are riding a profile just to get out of the field exercise or deployment, we can’t deny there are those people are out there (who perhaps should not be in the Army). However, keep in mind that there are also those who have truly legitimate reasons.

I think perhaps your statement is too broad. Not all non-deployable soldiers are the same or have the same reasons. I can think of quite a few people who display excellent leadership traits but are not deployable. Your statement would mean the soldier who is missing a limb due to an incident downrange. While they are working on rehab and wanting to get back to their soldiers, should they be ineligible for promotions? Or how about the female soldier who has been working on points, but got pregnant thus is non-deployable, she should not get promoted just because she is on a pregnancy profile?

As for the apparent animosity towards those with a non-deployable status, please remember that there are plenty of support staff that is needed to be in the rear, even during deployment. I would have to agree with SSG (Join to see), I would take a non-deployable professional (NCO or otherwise) over a deployable unprofessional, arrogant, toxic leader.
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SSG Michael Hathaway
SSG Michael Hathaway
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Sorry, posted to this topic and didn't even realize it was over a year old. It showed up in my trending for some reason. It doesn't change my statement though. I respect your viewpoint, though I don't agree with it.
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SFC Bde Mobility Nco
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50,000 can't go and fight, just in the army alone
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