Posted on Nov 1, 2016
In what ways did your personal values change after you left the military? Specifically, how did your priorities change to reflect values?
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I can say that my own personal values never changed. I can say with happy certainty that I never had to compromise my personal beliefs/values and they served me well while in service and guide my life now.
Priorities did change---My family is absolutely my priority now. They were then but not as much as they are now. Once I retired, it hit me like a ton of bricks that they are there for me when no one else is...and time is precious. My father passed two years after I retired and I treasure that small time with him but it put things in focus. My daughter is growing up and headed to college next year and it will be my and the wife alone again...not a bad thing but they are my focus. Working for things is crazy and I give a honest days work for an honest days wage but at the end of the day where I used to stay till the mission completes, now my mission is at home at quitting time. Things are just that things.
Priorities did change---My family is absolutely my priority now. They were then but not as much as they are now. Once I retired, it hit me like a ton of bricks that they are there for me when no one else is...and time is precious. My father passed two years after I retired and I treasure that small time with him but it put things in focus. My daughter is growing up and headed to college next year and it will be my and the wife alone again...not a bad thing but they are my focus. Working for things is crazy and I give a honest days work for an honest days wage but at the end of the day where I used to stay till the mission completes, now my mission is at home at quitting time. Things are just that things.
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_I have never felt the sense of loyalty to a commercial enterprise that I feel to the Constitution.
_I have never felt the sense of loyalty to a fellow employee who is an ass, that I definitely feel to a fellow Soldier, Sailor, Marine or Airman who may be just as big an ass.
_I have never asked my family to sacrifice for the benefit of an employer. I accepted nothing less from them to Corps and Country.
But outside of those parameters I do my best for all.
I don't know if that answers the question or not.
_I have never felt the sense of loyalty to a fellow employee who is an ass, that I definitely feel to a fellow Soldier, Sailor, Marine or Airman who may be just as big an ass.
_I have never asked my family to sacrifice for the benefit of an employer. I accepted nothing less from them to Corps and Country.
But outside of those parameters I do my best for all.
I don't know if that answers the question or not.
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The Air Force core values are Integrity First, Service before Self, and Excellence in all we do. Being an aircraft mechanic, you must always have integrity. And doing excellent work prevents mishaps. In my civilian job, I don't really put my civilian job first because we are not at war and we don't provide my brothers on the ground with supplies or close air support:) I put my family first by refusing overtime, night shift or weekends. That has caused me to be passed over for management promotions, but I am happy with my job and pay. Plus, management can be a pain in the arse and I don't need or want the extra stress for a few extra bucks. But I do give 100% to my Guard unit whether it is a weekend drill, TDY or deployment.
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I went from skeptic to cynic. I also changed values in the sense that "the American Way" of materialism and Christianity changed to the Buddhist idea of that we're all connected and that of an agnostic. IMO, we lost Viet Nam because we never read "The Art of War" or any of the classics of guerrila warfare. We believed that all those fancy weapons would win it for us, but really, what are weapons without soldiers?
As an advisor in Viet Nam in 1968, I witnessed some games being played for promotion of senior officers with no regards to human life American or Vietnamese. Too many civilians making too much money. Too many American and Vietnamese killed for something that would have been avoided had we worked with them. After all, they had been faithful allies and had a true beef with the French.
As an advisor in Viet Nam in 1968, I witnessed some games being played for promotion of senior officers with no regards to human life American or Vietnamese. Too many civilians making too much money. Too many American and Vietnamese killed for something that would have been avoided had we worked with them. After all, they had been faithful allies and had a true beef with the French.
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It was pretty close to love at first sight. I met my Filipina girl friend Late November 1969 three days later my ship, USS Sanctuary went back to Vietnam. Over the next six months we were together less than twenty days we did write weekly letters. I took my R & R to Manila for one last fling with my girl friend. We stayed at the Pines Hotel in Baguio when I ask "Marry me" She laughed I said again "Marry me" this time brought tears. Two days later we were married. Our love is still growing after 46 years. My wife strengthen my Christian values which remain steadfast to this day.
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SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM
I am happy for you. In my case, my first marriage was 40+ years that unfortunately dragged on for at least 30 years too long. It was the old "duty" and "responsibility" ethics that ruined most of my life as I was always told that "if it isn't working you work at it until it does"! But no one ever mentioned the fact that sometime is just never will. Now I have a new wife (2 years as of Oct. 12) and I hope this one will stay as a happy marriage until it is time for me to "shuffle off".
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When I was drafted, I was definitely on the path to prison or worse. I already had a record. No felonies, but several misdemeanors. My police record kept me from getting drafted until I was 21. (I think the army kept lowering their standards) I found out during basic @ leonardwood, & AIT @ Polk that I could do anything that I really put my mind to. After a 13+ month tour with the 1st cav in Vietnam (11c mos) , my values were definitely changed. I was able to land a good job, and learn a trade that would make me a good living, & now a decent retirement pension. I guess you could say that the military values I picked up while I was in pretty much saved my life.
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My personal values reflected upon myself; that I had determination but I didn't know how to embrace it. Before the military, I had no self-discipline, I was afraid to step out of my comfort zone for fear of the inevitable. Make my choice to join the military, grounded me yet let me spread my wings.
My priorities changed when I found out I was pregnant, in the Navy. I wasn't there for myself to "lose weight" or "find ground". I was there for my family, my friends and the new appreciation motivated me to keep doing what I"m doing and never give up or in.
My priorities changed when I found out I was pregnant, in the Navy. I wasn't there for myself to "lose weight" or "find ground". I was there for my family, my friends and the new appreciation motivated me to keep doing what I"m doing and never give up or in.
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SSG Eric Burleson
Hi George. I wonder if you would re-answer this question with a re-phrase. Values very rarely change, I acknowledge that. What I meant was "How have your values manifested differently in the civilian world?" Respect is respect, but I don't salute my supervisor in the civilian world, or stand at parade rest. Can you give examples of how the values manifested changed?
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Over my Military Career I never really thought about my values…you are a Marine, and its all part of you; part of your heart, soul and mindset. Since retiring and becoming part of the civilian sector, I think more about them as I compare myself and other Marines and servicemen/women I know and have known to the people I work with and around. I can see a huge difference between the military side and the civilian side as far as ethics, regardless of how many mandatory classes they get. As well, those in the civilian sector lack a strength in responsibility, especially self-responsibility. They lack integrity, loyalty, self-pride, teamwork, et cetera. I have also seen many, more recent, prior service members, from all branches, but especially those outside the Marine Corps, who have lowered their standards and fit right in with the majority of the civilian population. I would say if I have lost anything, I would have to agree with PO2 William Allen Crowder, in that I have found I can't trust my fellow team members, or count on them as part of the cohesive team I had and could count on while on active duty. Too much individualism, egos and self-righteousness and not enough ethics, integrity, responsibility and selflessness.
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In the military, I was a rule keeper and rule maker. Being a pilot, you come to believe that your training and the procedures developed over decades of flying are keeping you alive. You work hard to comply with those procedures. If you find yourself in a new experience, you tend to look for the procedures, regulations, and rules that apply hoping they will help ensure your success. As a staff officer I was asked to develop processes, procedures, and rules for the way business was done. So I became a rule maker. I called on my background in flight safety, using lessons learned, to help make rules that I believed would keep service members and organizations from making mistakes that had caused problems and wasted resources in the past. Then I retired and became an employee of a private company.
Private enterprise is very different from the military. The rules aren't as important as the results. Entrepreneurship and salesmanship became much more important. These were two areas where I had little experience. I tried for 16 years to develop these abilities, but I confess I failed. I worked as a project manager, which kept me keeping and making rules and procedures for my projects. I was a successful PM. My progress in private enterprise was limited by my inability to be a good salesman.
Private enterprise is very different from the military. The rules aren't as important as the results. Entrepreneurship and salesmanship became much more important. These were two areas where I had little experience. I tried for 16 years to develop these abilities, but I confess I failed. I worked as a project manager, which kept me keeping and making rules and procedures for my projects. I was a successful PM. My progress in private enterprise was limited by my inability to be a good salesman.
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