Posted on Mar 17, 2016
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I've seen a new E-5 in my unit with the deployment OCP (the shoulders are Velcro pockets like the ACU not zippers, faintly faded, with a fuller only jacket zipper) without a deployment patch, or skill badges I.E CIB, AAS, Etc. he approached me for work and as we were talking he brought up how things worked at his last unit, and I asked him where he was deployed to and he said he wasn't (No right shoulder patch) but from what I understood those OCP's we're only given out to those who have been deployed to the Middle East the last year or so. Can anyone clarify on this? Thank you.
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Gregory Pasquier
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What is a OCP? Are you referring to a SSI-FWTS?
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SGT Dakota Sokolove
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He probably bought them. ACU stands for army combat uniform. That is the clothing itself. There are different colors or patterns. UCP (universal camouflage pattern) is the digital camo. OCP-EF (operational camouflage pattern- enduring freedom) and the new uniform OCP or the scorpion pattern.
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SGT Geospatial Intelligence Imagery Analyst
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PFC Morter, during the transition period ACU, Multicam, and OCPs are authorized for wear. Just because Multicam was issued to deploying soldiers does not preclude them from use by soldiers who were not deployed. I had a soldier (PFC) that could not afford to make the transition to OCPs, so I gave him my Multicam from my deployment. That being said, you would be better off getting rid of the "he was/wasn't deployed" mentality. He earned his rank, and deserves respect regardless of which uniform he is in.
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SGT Frances Richardson
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Me downrange with NO patch.

Mind you, this was my third and last deployment. Regulations state patches are optional, not mandatory.
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Sgt Field Wireman
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He purchased it, and it is authorized.
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AR 670-1 should be more than enough to address this.
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SGT Dental Specialist
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also my unit goes on missons to africa and they have to get the Multi cams for that.... stay in a little longer and you will learn more ..... you shouldnt even have put this on here... you could have asked this question to your NCO and had him clarify
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SGT Dental Specialist
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i got multi cams issued to me and i didnt deploy and i wear mine during field training... you dont have to be deployed to get them... your unit can issue them if they want...
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SGT Justin Moore
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Aren't they changing to the ocp anyway? shit I got out two years ago and I'm watching cadets wear that shit. They're all dirt bags that think their shit don't stink. If this NCO is a tool then use said tool, if he's actually legit and lives up to the creed then appreciate it. Either way it doesn't matter what uniform he wears it still has us army and the American flag on it.
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PVT Andrew Burd
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don't you mean SERGEANT? ...PRIVATE?

how about you do PFC stuff and mind your own fuckin business ...***PRIVATE***


this is the biggest problem I see with "Today's Army" ...some pimple faced little brat thinks he's got the right to say something about someone who OUTRANKS HIM....
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SFC Bruce Pettengill
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I am trying to figure out the basis of this question. Are you looking at the Sergeant and wondering if you are allowed to wear the same uniform he is? or are you looking to sharp shoot the NCO because of your extensive experience in the U.S. Army? It's not wrong to ask questions, however you have what you need to find the correct answers, the chain of command or AR 670-1?

I have held many leadership and instructor positions during my career and one thing that always fried my brain was that soldiers would say or correct me on something they thought or heard. For instance I entered a new unit as a PS. After talking to the soldiers while in formation, I called them back to Attention then Dismissed them it was around 09:00. Several RBI's (respond by endorsement. "yes I know") were handed out directly following the formation to soldiers in my platoon that decided to correct me by saying they could go home.

The first thing you should have done was ask the Sergeant in question directly. "Sergeant I have seen many soldiers that have not been deployed wearing the OCP's I thought they were only allowed to wear this type of uniform if you were actually deployed?" as I am sure it would come off better if he was not wearing the OCP's at the time.

Lastly, if this question was intended to sharp shoot anyone, then I would tell you this pay attention to yourself and the few soldiers you out rank. As a Soldier that spent 27 years in the Army, I can tell you the Army needs new soldiers that can come in and take over for those of that have finished our careers. Relatively new soldiers as yourself need to learn leadership and team work.

I commend you on deciding to join the Army during these times and thank you for your service.
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CPT Robert Boshears
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Now I go back to MACV, but a patch on the right sleeve was your unit, you were in combat, or assigned to in the combat theatre. But, he said he had never deployed. Look at his medals, look for the CAR, Combat Action Ribbon, which only the Marines and Navy received for being in combat. It wouldn't be fitting to call an NCO a liar until you knew everything. It is rare, but there (I heard only) was a Navy SEAL who got out and went to Army OCS. Infantry Officers with the CAR, with a Brigade Commander approving, used to be able to trade the CAR for a CIB.
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SPC Alpha Team First Squad
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They are phasing out the ACU version and the new uniform is the OCP.
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CPT(P) Miccc Student
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They're also given to any person that walks in a surplus store and pays for them. Who cares what uniform he's wearing, he's an NCO. Word of advice, don't get wrapped up in patches, badges, and uniforms. That stuff comes with doing your job and doing it well.
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SGT Squad Leader
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It's an authorized uniform under AR 670-1. There is no such thing as a deployment uniform. The unit commander can authorize the wear of any authorized uniform in his command as long as it falls within the regulation. I would suggest that you get a copy of AR 670-1 so that you can educate yourself. This last sentence is a suggestion and not meant in any derogatory way.
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SrA Bruce Bustin
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If I may give my advice to you that I have to my son, 1. You have no political/personal opinions regarding the POTUS or our military. 2. NEVER attempt to show up or question those above you in rank or in your unit. It may come back to bite you later. That is not your job. 3. Just do YOUR JOB! Let others sort any other BS.
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SSgt Medic
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I'm just here for the comments, but yeah they're good to go to answer the question.
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SGT Human Resources Specialist
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Listen here son, go elevate your feet and stop worrying about things that have nothing to do with you. I will never understand why I see people spending so much time and emotion with these petty complaints. I bet you're in one of those units like I saw yesterday hanging out in their motor pool joking and smoking and riding hover boards around.
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Sgt Dale Briggs
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My sons AF attached to 2/2 Stryker, when he deploys he wears Army multi cams obviously, and. I thought he mentioned he could wear them on return for 30 days. Then back to ABUs.
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SFC Food Service Specialist
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He may have gotten them during CIF issue or RFI issue. I know a lot of Soldiers in Aviation that walk around with all sort of uniform they where issued and they want ever see the desert. If it's issued fuck it wear it. Shit cost to damn much anyways.
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SGT Michael Wade
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Well I don't believe in him wearing a deployment patch that he hasn't earned.. We were told we didn't get that honor till we were deployed and boots on ground for 30 days.. But then agian.. Anyone that's been deployed had watched the leadership pass out bronze stars too themselves and pat themselves on the back.. Well the lower enlisted get their Arcoms downgraded.. So I guess it's who ya know..
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