Posted on Mar 17, 2016
Is it okay to wear the deployment OCP when you've never been deployed?
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I've seen a new E-5 in my unit with the deployment OCP (the shoulders are Velcro pockets like the ACU not zippers, faintly faded, with a fuller only jacket zipper) without a deployment patch, or skill badges I.E CIB, AAS, Etc. he approached me for work and as we were talking he brought up how things worked at his last unit, and I asked him where he was deployed to and he said he wasn't (No right shoulder patch) but from what I understood those OCP's we're only given out to those who have been deployed to the Middle East the last year or so. Can anyone clarify on this? Thank you.
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Those call Multicam. I was issued one back in 2012 before we got deployed to Afghanistan. RFI issue. Also if your unit going on mission you will be issued one as well
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OCP wear is outlined in DA-Pam 670-1. At a glance, I can only see that it's command driven. Hope this helps
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What's your current units dress? This is why changing thre fucking uniform is stupid as fuck. Now the entire unit looks fucked up. I had guys with me who never gout their ACU's, so they wore their old DC's, wore bdu flack vest and green camo kevlar cover. All fucked up... but whatever, the Army didn't him his shit unti 1 week to leaving. Uniforms are uniforms man, if he's dresses, leave him alone
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When ever in doubt on personal appearance issues always refer to your branch of service regulations for clarity. The requirements change so quickly from period to period based on operations and leadership of the branches. Authorization comes from the top levels and are enforced from that point on opinion is not relevant in personnel mandatory requirements. First Sergeants of any branch usually are informed before everyone else so they can pass the changes down to all levels. There usually is a transition period as well for implementing the changes too. As a NCO or officer in charge, it is a good habit to review those regulations periodically to ensure you are in compliance and can set the example for your subordinates and peers! You can't teach what you don't know! SMG stated it correctly in saying if a soldier wears a uniform type ensure it is in authorized and worn correctly is what is important! Personal appearance& dress codes are the public's window to the professionalism of our military members as they walk around in our communities and other nations! Ensure it is done proudly and respectfully! Good question for all to review on their own compliance! Thanks for asking.
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You will find that most of the Army deployment uniforms are not just simply “uniforms”
They are normally fire retardant and sprayed with permethrin (an insect repellent)
They are usually referred to as FRACU. If they are fire retardant then you will most likely find your answer in your Division Blue Book.
More than one garrison Blue Book restricts the wear of FRACU to non-garrison activities such as deployments and field training exercises.
Generally, there’s no prohibition as to who may wear the deployment OCP just restrictions as to the place/time/activity.
Don’t take my word for it; read your Blue Book! Most Divisions nowadays publish their most current Blue Book on their Intranet/NIPPER Servers.
They are normally fire retardant and sprayed with permethrin (an insect repellent)
They are usually referred to as FRACU. If they are fire retardant then you will most likely find your answer in your Division Blue Book.
More than one garrison Blue Book restricts the wear of FRACU to non-garrison activities such as deployments and field training exercises.
Generally, there’s no prohibition as to who may wear the deployment OCP just restrictions as to the place/time/activity.
Don’t take my word for it; read your Blue Book! Most Divisions nowadays publish their most current Blue Book on their Intranet/NIPPER Servers.
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I think the op asked a legitimate question. Here’s my 2 cents worth broken down Barney style... As someone stated in another comment, it is not required to wear badges or FWTS patches on the ACU. However, if a Soldier, regardless of rank chooses to wear such items... the rule of thumb is simple... ONLY WEAR $#!+ THAT YOU RIGHTFULLY AND LEGITIMATELY EARNED. Don’t be one of those @$$holes that fakes the funk.
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Honestly who cares. If it isn’t against a regulation or policy, who cares? Is it hurting you?
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Why didn't you just ask your SGT. That's one thing your SGT should be able to do. Clarify regs and policies. I had no problem with my joes asking me. As aviation and multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan Ive gone through BDU, DCU, UCP, OEF, OCP, and all the flight variations to go with each change. Not to mention dress uniforms. Also as aviation our badges are sewn on because pin on is FOD.
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what if he would of called him a buck. we used it a a term of endearment. e5 was a buck, e6 was a staff, e7 was first. sure wouldnt of used it with NCOs out of my unit. I liked to tell newly minted e5s that I outranked them before their promotion formation. someyimes a far back as that morning when Top sent us on some detail
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OK here is the thing everyone in this thread missed and failed to train you on SPC, when before you posted this did you consult AR 670-1? I'm almost positive that would have answered any question you may have had....
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From what i was told after my deployment, the deployment uniform was NOT authorized once you had cleared medical after deployment but that was 2011 and things change. The ACU which i know you asked about OCP had AR tags that were uncovered at all times so i would guess that was why.
I am now NG, i was active and i see it a lot in NG - i also know that uniforms are hard to come by in the NG - depending on if you have a awesome Supply SGT - so i turn a blind eye because i understand that in NG you have what you have and make do.
So i guess - my answer is no in garrison - i haven't seen the OCPs and i haven't read the REG which would prolly be the smarter way to approach that Soldier, but if a unit is allowing it - why not save good uniforms.
I would use my old deployment uniforms on the range or if i knew i was doing something that had the chance of ruining a good uniform and will continue to do so until the ACUs phase out.
I am now NG, i was active and i see it a lot in NG - i also know that uniforms are hard to come by in the NG - depending on if you have a awesome Supply SGT - so i turn a blind eye because i understand that in NG you have what you have and make do.
So i guess - my answer is no in garrison - i haven't seen the OCPs and i haven't read the REG which would prolly be the smarter way to approach that Soldier, but if a unit is allowing it - why not save good uniforms.
I would use my old deployment uniforms on the range or if i knew i was doing something that had the chance of ruining a good uniform and will continue to do so until the ACUs phase out.
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Slick right sleeve and no combat patches is not an indication of deployments. There are several AOs that get neither. And several guys that choose not to wear their ERB on their tops. Don’t judge a book by its cover.
Read the regs find you own answers at the source. 670-1 has that answer
Read the regs find you own answers at the source. 670-1 has that answer
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From all the leadership I had most would say “Judge them on their performance and potential.” The uniform meets the reg.
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If your NCO is giving you a lawful order just do what your told. You are an E4 Specialist, you shouldn't be wrryomg about if he deployed or not. We've all had to take orders and do things in garrison that we don't like it's called the Army just deal with it. Change your water and drink your socks.
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