Posted on Mar 17, 2016
Is it okay to wear the deployment OCP when you've never been deployed?
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I've seen a new E-5 in my unit with the deployment OCP (the shoulders are Velcro pockets like the ACU not zippers, faintly faded, with a fuller only jacket zipper) without a deployment patch, or skill badges I.E CIB, AAS, Etc. he approached me for work and as we were talking he brought up how things worked at his last unit, and I asked him where he was deployed to and he said he wasn't (No right shoulder patch) but from what I understood those OCP's we're only given out to those who have been deployed to the Middle East the last year or so. Can anyone clarify on this? Thank you.
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once these jackets get into the supply chain, they are going to be available anywhere. My primary focus would be on the fact that he did not attempt to capitalize on the rarity of the jacket by "patching" it. the same thing happened with the nylon flight jackets after Vietnam.
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As an "older vet", I would say..." If you haven't been there, don't even LIE about it. I've found that if you come across someone who has... you might just get you ass whooped ... big time. Be proud of your time and duty, but PLEASE don't blatantly insult those who have really "paid the price" and have true "bragging rights".Do'tinsult yourself and the uniform. Ego has its place...but not here.
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Let me say this to the guy who wants to wear a "SPECIAL" patch! I was a patient at Walter Reed and there are so many of our brothers there that lost so many of their body parts they told me their family thinks they are dead! Really! !! They don't need a patch! To me, they are all Hero's!
So if this guy wants to PRETEND he went somewhere ii.e (vacation to Mexico) let him, WE know what kind of a guy he is because (REAL Soldiers) don't need to show off where they have been! Thank you for all those that Don't need a Patch! And Thank you and Have a Safe & Nice Day! Even from Illinois! Bob
So if this guy wants to PRETEND he went somewhere ii.e (vacation to Mexico) let him, WE know what kind of a guy he is because (REAL Soldiers) don't need to show off where they have been! Thank you for all those that Don't need a Patch! And Thank you and Have a Safe & Nice Day! Even from Illinois! Bob
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enrich yourself by knowledge through research n regulations.
It will guide you to do the right thing and lead you to be a better leader.
It will guide you to do the right thing and lead you to be a better leader.
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Okay this was posted in 2016 it is now 2020 Now I am going to post how I feel about this whole thing bash me if you wish. It is unimportant at this time and I will likely not come back and read it anyway. I have considered leaving Rally Point for the same actions I see here. SGM Erik Marquez posted a very fine answer for a E-4 that was short, sweet, informing,. It also left the SM with the opportunity for self education not S^&* lawyer stuff. Now my big complaint is Unless you can show as many years of leadership as a SGM Has you may want to check your self, and quit whining for the sack or argument. Your civilian leadership courses cannot compare to Military leadership schools. Quit assuming that just because you disagree with some one else that you are right, also quit assuming all together. The Military has never ask NCO's at any level to hand carry SM's to the publications Library and make them read, So People like TSGT. Who chooses to coddle said SM in his leadership style makes a SNCO Wrong in his opinion. Pore way of thinking in my book while your coddling said SM you and half you unit will be compromised or Killed. People want to ask these question in here and get answers not watch the penis envy arguments after posts the internal fighting is stupid at best. I find looking as a individuals profile very helpful and one of the Major AF responders here's profile has no claim to Military Leadership. Pretty well sums it up for me, maybe when you get a little time and go get a education in Military leadership, Quit Assuming, and Learn and read a Post, and others above and below that post, just maybe then you can have the ability assess the situation in an adult Manner until then your just stirring S^&* to smell it stink. JMTC
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Lots of statutory info / answers here.
I’d appeal to this—if his previous unit of assignment was wearing that uniform, why would he not be issued / wearing it—-?whether he deployed or not?
I’d appeal to this—if his previous unit of assignment was wearing that uniform, why would he not be issued / wearing it—-?whether he deployed or not?
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SPC, the behavior of many NCO’s on this post does not represent all of us NCO’s. Take this has a learning experience on what not to be like In the future when you earn your stripes. Don’t be discourage and be the example you wish you had. The answer to your question is neither yes or no. It really depends, if the fracu’s have Velcro in the shoulder then they’re not authorized. If they have zipper then yes they are authorized. You do not have to be deployed to wear them, in fact some times soldiers get them because they only have a set of ocp’s and we all know fracu’s are way more comfortable to wear anyway.
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Some units won’t authorize the fracks to be worn in garrison. Even so, you don’t have to have been deployed to wear them. Same with deployment patches, skill badges, etc. you aren’t required to wear them. AR 670-1 is your friend in this case.
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Those call Multicam. I was issued one back in 2012 before we got deployed to Afghanistan. RFI issue. Also if your unit going on mission you will be issued one as well
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OCP wear is outlined in DA-Pam 670-1. At a glance, I can only see that it's command driven. Hope this helps
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What's your current units dress? This is why changing thre fucking uniform is stupid as fuck. Now the entire unit looks fucked up. I had guys with me who never gout their ACU's, so they wore their old DC's, wore bdu flack vest and green camo kevlar cover. All fucked up... but whatever, the Army didn't him his shit unti 1 week to leaving. Uniforms are uniforms man, if he's dresses, leave him alone
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When ever in doubt on personal appearance issues always refer to your branch of service regulations for clarity. The requirements change so quickly from period to period based on operations and leadership of the branches. Authorization comes from the top levels and are enforced from that point on opinion is not relevant in personnel mandatory requirements. First Sergeants of any branch usually are informed before everyone else so they can pass the changes down to all levels. There usually is a transition period as well for implementing the changes too. As a NCO or officer in charge, it is a good habit to review those regulations periodically to ensure you are in compliance and can set the example for your subordinates and peers! You can't teach what you don't know! SMG stated it correctly in saying if a soldier wears a uniform type ensure it is in authorized and worn correctly is what is important! Personal appearance& dress codes are the public's window to the professionalism of our military members as they walk around in our communities and other nations! Ensure it is done proudly and respectfully! Good question for all to review on their own compliance! Thanks for asking.
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You will find that most of the Army deployment uniforms are not just simply “uniforms”
They are normally fire retardant and sprayed with permethrin (an insect repellent)
They are usually referred to as FRACU. If they are fire retardant then you will most likely find your answer in your Division Blue Book.
More than one garrison Blue Book restricts the wear of FRACU to non-garrison activities such as deployments and field training exercises.
Generally, there’s no prohibition as to who may wear the deployment OCP just restrictions as to the place/time/activity.
Don’t take my word for it; read your Blue Book! Most Divisions nowadays publish their most current Blue Book on their Intranet/NIPPER Servers.
They are normally fire retardant and sprayed with permethrin (an insect repellent)
They are usually referred to as FRACU. If they are fire retardant then you will most likely find your answer in your Division Blue Book.
More than one garrison Blue Book restricts the wear of FRACU to non-garrison activities such as deployments and field training exercises.
Generally, there’s no prohibition as to who may wear the deployment OCP just restrictions as to the place/time/activity.
Don’t take my word for it; read your Blue Book! Most Divisions nowadays publish their most current Blue Book on their Intranet/NIPPER Servers.
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I think the op asked a legitimate question. Here’s my 2 cents worth broken down Barney style... As someone stated in another comment, it is not required to wear badges or FWTS patches on the ACU. However, if a Soldier, regardless of rank chooses to wear such items... the rule of thumb is simple... ONLY WEAR $#!+ THAT YOU RIGHTFULLY AND LEGITIMATELY EARNED. Don’t be one of those @$$holes that fakes the funk.
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Honestly who cares. If it isn’t against a regulation or policy, who cares? Is it hurting you?
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