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MAJ David Kline yes, absolutely. I enlisted in the Navy with a SEAL contract and an $18,000 sign on bonus. The person will need to contact their recruiter and request to take a PST. The person does NOT need to choose a rating prior to taking the PST - this is a common lie told at MEPS. In order to earn a BUD/S contract, the person will need to have incredibly competitive scores. I got my contract with the following PST scores.

9:04 combat side stroke swim.
98 chest to ground push ups.
102 sit ups.
16 chest to bar pull ups.
8:54 1.5 mile run.

After they are selected for a BUD/S billet, they will need to take the C-SORT and continue improving their scores until their ship date in order to keep their spot at BUD/S.

*BUD/S Class 300. -2013.
Please let me know if you have additional questions.
-George
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ENS (Join to see) - Good to hear you're still trying despite the setback. Keep following your dream and you'll make it happen.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
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Also keep in mind that after boot camp, you **WILL** be attending Submarine School (6 weeks in New London, CT). And although "passing" Submarine School is not mandatory, a "failure" in your record could preclude you from certain operations (big no-no on your record) and also, should you fail BUDS or drop out, you'd then have **TWO** failures on your record and you'd be kicked out of the Navy. The reason I point this out is that Submarine School is hard and to soften the blow of it, the SEAL candidates are normally told that they are there "just to learn the basics and passing is not required."

The reason you would get thrown out is you have no use. In my day, you had to pick your school and go to that school first. So boot camp, school, sub school and then BUDS. So in my day, dropping out (or failing) of BUDS would have just got you sent to the fleet in whatever role you went to school for. But today, you don't pick your job. "SEAL" is your job (with, I think, the exception of Corpsman). So if you failed, they'd have no real use for you. So that's something to consider.

Now on the flip side, if you ace your Sub School class (get in the top 3), you get E-3 out of the door and pick your duty station. "So lets see...I can go to BUDS as an E-1 and possibly fail or I can stay in subs and be an E-3...hmmmm..." Denying BUDS doesn't count on your record. I chose to stay in Subs.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
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SN Greg Wright - SEALS were the "drowners" when I was in boot camp. They'd be at the pool throwing you in and making sure you treaded water for the correct amount of time, etc. They were hilarious. "Take my hand little girl and I'll help your girl ass out of the pool. Whats the matter? Too much water?!" They pushed us off the high dive fully clothed and we had X minutes to get out of the clothes, tie 'em in the appropriate knots and then do our swim evolution. Crazy crap. And then in Submarine School a few of them were at the Escape Trainer.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
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PO2 Corey Gray - Yup; divings a great hobby.
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I was approached by the SEALS in Boot Camp.(1971) My problem was the six year commitment. Since I had a good job outside I wanted to have the possibility of returning to it. I would have lost the right to return to that job if the Navy did not work out. I was also approached about the CT and OS ratings. Scoring 100% on the AFQT at the recruiting station and high GCT,ARI and the FLAT were probably causing the interest.
The other problem was the dishonesty that was the norm at that time by recruiters for anything. Had I not worked out for the SEALS i would have been committed for the six years, dumped in a rating I didn't want and lost the outside job. As it worked out I traded an "A" school for a duty station preference and received none of my duty station requests and ended up as a Construction Electrician where my trade in telecommunications was rarely utilized. I was originally supposed to go to Viet Nam to beef up whatever battalion was there at the time. Nixon's plan to reduce forces there caused those orders to be canceled and I ended up in a public works department in Puerto Rico that didn't need me. In fact I arrived in San Juan and got bounced around at different radio stations for weeks while someone figured out what to do with me. Kind of difficult to believe I was being treated this way despite being the first Construction Apprentice to leave Orlando after 142 companies had passed through before me. They had to order the blue stripes especially for me.

By the time my enlistment was up I was married. My wife absolutely hated the Navy. My wife had a BS in Physical Therapy and had little in common with most of the enlisted wives. She was really ticked off when she was asked to join the Officers Mess (O) but I was not welcome to go with her. How stupid is that?
I was offered Army Signal Corps School for 105 weeks. Fort Monmouth was about 45 minutes from my wife's family and would have been a good opportunity for me along with the $30K enlistment bonus. I'd already had 4 years sea duty, school was neutral and I was entitled to shore duty for two years. I'd have given up that job for a good opportunity but had to turn it down. My wife flat out threatened divorce if I reenlisted.

That outside job laid me off in 1985 after AT&T was broken up. I started a business that lasted 30 years, retired with five homes for retirement income and live in two of them, one an ocean front cottage near Camp Lejeune.

I would think things may have improved since 1971 but I have my doubts. One wonders how many good qualified people the Navy lost over this type of BS.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
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PO2 Robert Cuminale - Yes. SEAL is specifically it's own rating now. There were six CT's when I was in; Admin, Operator, Radio, Maintenance, Interpreter and Technician. They started taking them off of subs in the mid 80's so my CTI was cancelled. Now that we have the spec ops SSGN's, I think they might be going back onboard.
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PO3 Donald Murphy - I think the Foreign Language Aptitude Test score and the fact that I'd been working for Ma Bell for two years before I came in was the impetus for the CT offer. I'd spoken some Calabrese Italian as a boy to my Great Grand Mother and I'd taken 3 years of French.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
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PO2 Robert Cuminale - Mom's Mexican so I was reading the "hit list" and it said they needed Spanish speakers and I thought "hey - why not." In my day it was an extra chunk of pay to have that on your record as well.
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PO3 Donald Murphy - The demand for French isn;t there any more. In the 1960s it was still the diplomatic and commercial language. Jackie made it popular to the average person and the UN used it. Now it is English for the most part. The way things are going it will soon be Arabic.
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