Posted on Feb 28, 2017
PO3 Ron Hinton
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Lost security clearance because they said that I had bad credit. I had re enlisted for 5 more years at my second duty station. But then they told me I was out. I desperately need to get back in on active duty. I miss it. And I felt I had a real purpose in life. I need some help getting my code upgraded. I was not a bad or anything. Please help you guys and gals. Thanks
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SGM Erik Marquez
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"Is it possible to reenlist with an RE-4 (honorable discharge)?"

RE-4 - Individuals separated from last period of service with a nonwaiverable disqualification (refer to AR 601-280). Ineligible for enlistment except as provided for in paragraphs 2-7c and 2-7d. (See waiverable moral and administrative disqualifications.) Disqualilication is nonwaivable.

So NO you can't unless the need out weighs the available, then maybe.... but likely once the need is no longer (draw down) there you'll get the boot anyway.

What was your time in service when you separated? How many years and months total active service?
RE-4 is typically given for very negative reasons. ....... "having bad credit" is not the whole story..sorry, just not. unless something went wrong.
Each service has a e Administrative Discharge Board.. Hire a lawyer and PROVE your RE-4 discharge was erroneously given... thats the only way discharge codes are upgraded.. So a SM discharged on Chap 14, but later its proven they had a documented and provable case of Severe PTSD service related and untreated MIGHT get a discharge upgrade... MIGHT.

You have no obligation to tell us the rest of the story and background that lead to your RE-4 discharge code... but doing so and verifying your account might lead others here with knowledge and experience to better offer assistance..
however, unless something went terrible wrong in the admin process (it happens, see example ) or the criminally negligent leaders that pushed for and approved it (it would have to be a conspiracy, not just a single commander) ... Those with an RE-4 earned it. And those that earned an RE-4 are not needed in the Military service. There are simply too many available without that baggage. If it was an unjust discharge, get it changed and get back in.....
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CPT Christopher Autumn
CPT Christopher Autumn
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"Those with an RE-4 earned it." NOT REALLY. When you have no control over and something is shoved in your throat doesn't mean you earned it. Check yourself.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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CPT Christopher Autumn
Thanks for the suggestion to check myself sir
I did just that and I’ve come to the conclusion my 28 years of experience culminating as a senior enlisted person in 1st Cav division as the G3 SGM and my check MYSELF position is I stand by it

my observations are accurate my experience relative to the topic and I stand by my statement with a few exceptions I outlined clearly for those willing to read
Those who have a reenlistment code of RE4 earned it
If you have knowledge of an outlier I wouldn’t be surprised but that doesn’t alter my personal observations over 28 years.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
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The only caveat I would add to this conversation (which isn't applicable to the PO's situation) is that not ALL re-4s are bad. Retirees ALSO get an RE-4. Once you retire, you're done... Unless the service ASKS (or demands) you to come back.

Got my RE-4 in 2017. Also got my e-mail from HRC in 2020 asking me to come back and help with COVID. (They ended up not using me, but I was on standby for 3 months.)

Again, not applicable to PO situation. But wanted to clarify that not all RE-4s are based on bad things, as implied throughout.
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SA Elishia Morse
SA Elishia Morse
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I got discharged honorably re-4 for being prescribed ADHD med by a base physician. I had a waiver for ADHD itself. I'm currently waiting to hear back from MEPS going from navy to army. What do you think they will say.
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MSG Inspector General
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No, Re Entry code 4 means no re entry period. You lost your security clearance and were unable to fulfill your obligations in your MOS, that's why you got an Honorable with the RE code 4. If you can fix the financial problems that cause you to loose the clearance, you can request an upgrade on your RE code. This process is long and takes lost of effort and leg work. I seen RE codes change from 4, but you must do all the requests. There is a DD form, you can send to request the change, I want to say DD form 149, but is been to long since I left recruiting and dealt with this issue.
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LCpl Ian Tielking
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(OTH RE4) Reason: Pattern of misconduct. I was in the USMC. Immediately you see that and see "shit bag" or a fcked up individual. Imagine the what that does to ones mental state, life...., friend's, family, kind of a big dark cloud hanging over you. Bottom line people make mistakes that's what makes us human, and you pay for the choices/decisions/lapse in judgment or whatever. I would love to get that opportunity just one more time in my life to put back on the Cami's. For other RR4s reading, you fcked up, I fcked up, there is like 99.9% we won't be taken back, but I can't tell the future.. Only chance of us getting back in is determination a good lawyer lol. Or maybe that one recruiter that actually listens and gives a fck about your situation. Just remember to there are stories, reasons why things happened the way they did. Let me say that if you have a TOXIC coc, that despise you does not help situation for either side.

Semper Fi.
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SGT Dukesta Haas
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You are not correct. I have an Re Entry code 4 and that is not at all the case. Feel free to email me at [login to see] to get the real story
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SN Steven Fittro
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I have an RE-4 for "Weight control failure" Honorable Discharge. Don't know which type of clearance I Secret or Top Secret, but, I do know that in for me to work with the Hoover Dam Police Department in 2008, I needed to have at least a Secret clearance.
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Cpl Justin Goolsby
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Can you enlist without a security clearance? Each job has a requirement of what type of clearance you need. If there's a job without a clearance level, that might be your best bet and I'd probably talk to a Prior Service Recruiter for that information.

But like you said, you weren't bad, you just had bad credit. Unfortunately, bad credit makes you a security risk because it means you are more likely to do illicit activities to settle up your debt.

But I would definitely talk to a Prior Service Recruiter because especially with bad credit issues, I believe those things stay on your record for 7-10 years.
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PO3 Ron Hinton
PO3 Ron Hinton
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Ouch wow I never knew that. I want//wanted to be a lifer I. The navy. I understand the risk. But since I've gotten out I've fixed my credit and my score has got way up. Is there a prior enlistment recruiter hotline or number I should call??
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Cpl Justin Goolsby
Cpl Justin Goolsby
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PO3 Ron Hinton - I'd probably just go to a recruiters office and they should be able to put you in contact with someone.
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Is it possible to reenlist with an RE-4 (honorable discharge)?
PO3 Michael Riordan
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Yes it is possible! Was in the Navy during the early 80's and got injured with
a recurring shoulder injury due to no fault of my own. Ship was going out to sea
but got put on medical hold due to surgery for my shoulder. Faced a medical board
who found me fit for duty as my enlistment was ending. and veteran rating of compensation upon leaving. Got an honorable with an LBK code. Re 4. Still held me in the inactive reserves.
They did well on fixing my shoulder temporarily and got a job with the Govt. which
i served well and retired along with obtaining college degree. Shoulder still gives me problems.
My re 4 got changed just based on meeting a recruiter for reservist duty which i
did on weekends and monthly for 4 more years. Was his suggestion.
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SFC Retention Operations Nco
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You weren't refused reenlistment because of your clearance. When you have an Honorable discharge but an RE4 which means ineligible for reenlistment - no waiver. In the Army we usually see this when senior NCOs are QMPed, or when you hit RCP.
I assume you reached the max years you could as an E4 because you said you reenlisted, and losing your clearance most likely made you ineligible for promotionor qualification in your rating.
Saying that you were kicked out because of your clearance sounds a bit disingenuous and will make it hard for people to give you usable advice.
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PO3 Ron Hinton
PO3 Ron Hinton
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No ok wait. I was in Crete ok my second tour. I was asked did I wanna reenlist. I said yes. Did the whole ceremony and all. Got the bonus and location where I'd be going too. I was just waiting to leave. Then I got pulled off post and told that I need to apply for an upgraded clearance due to a new duty station. I'm like ok. Then a week later they say that my credit score was low for a military police and that I could be considered a risk . I couldn't believe it. I had to type a financial summary on any debt I had since I was 18. It wasn't much but a couple of cell bills and my student loans. I never owned anything I can't pay upfront. So I found this odd. I always had bill allotments so I was never behind. I still had a few months on my enlistment. So due to me being a police officer and needing a clearance It's revoked I guess. I've never been to mast or njp or whatever. I was just average. 3.0 and above evals. So why was I given the cold shoulder. It says on my dd214 honorable discharge jhj and unsatisfactory performance.
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SFC Retention Operations Nco
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PO3 Ron Hinton - that tells a completely different story, one that can probably be resolved.
Your JHJ is a catchall unsuitable for military service. I'm not a recruiter, but there's a good chance that if you apply to the Army during a troop increase, show that you're not unsuitable (you don't need a clearance for many Army jobs), you could get a waiver. An RE code isn't like a discharge status that you can apply to have upgraded. Right now the Army is under a critical manning shortage. If you need a waiver, now is the time to apply.
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SGT James Murphy
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I am pretty sure I can agree with SFC Boyd here.
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Petition the BCNR.
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PO3 Ron Hinton Here is a list of the enlistment codes. Have you talked to a Navy recruiter?

https://www.navycs.com/military-re-codes.html
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SGT Dave Tracy
SGT Dave Tracy
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PO3 Ron Hinton - I think I would actively work on upgrading the reenlistment code as the priority; though that may be difficult, it won't hurt to try. There may be other VSOs (Veteran Service Organizations) in your area who can assist. Additionally you could simultaneously initiate more informal contact with recruiters. Feel 'em out. See what they are saying right now about admitting prior service individuals in general.
That's how I would approach it anyway. Good luck.
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Sgt Field Radio Operator
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SGT Dave Tracy - Great advice!
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PO3 Ron Hinton
PO3 Ron Hinton
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SGT Dave Tracy - thanks so much man. I really mean it. !!!!!!
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SN Shaliss Anthony
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Not recently I haven't because I always read these things about there not being anyway to get back in. I would qualify for a nurse officer if they would just let me prove myself!!!!
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SGM Erik Marquez PO3 Ron Hinton

RE-4 means you are non-waiverable, but I think it would be inappropriate to assume that that means that you (or anybody) did something wrong.

I got RE-4 KFV for a diagnosis of PTSD followed by a hospitalisation. I know it wasn't the right code, it should have been SFJ, but it doesn't really matter because the result is still the same.

My sister got RE-4 LFT after a surgery severed her nervous spine and the doctors discovered that she has a rare condition that prevents her nerves from repairing themselves.

In neither case was there misconduct; it just so happens that we're both unable to serve because of permanent disabilities of a differing nature that prevent us from doing our job now, and will be expected with reasonable certainty to prevent it permanently.
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PO2 Jay Powell
PO2 Jay Powell
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I agree, The same thing happened to me. Medical Discharge. No negative. Was an early promote on my last eval.
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SSG Dale London
SSG Dale London
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I sincerely hope you have filed with the VA for disability!
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