Posted on Mar 23, 2015
Is it rational to fear ISIS & Al Quaida? So why does the press call it Islamophobia?
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Is it rational to fear ISIS & Al Quaida? So why does the press call it Islamophobia?
I was taught "phobia" means "an irrational fear of"...but it's rational to be afraid to get your head chopped off, isn't it? Is this PC run amok, or just another attempt to grab you with a headline?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/french-muslims-caught-between-rising-islamophobia-and-growing-extremism/2015/03/22/7359329c-c739-11e4-bea5-b893e7ac3fb3_story.html
I was taught "phobia" means "an irrational fear of"...but it's rational to be afraid to get your head chopped off, isn't it? Is this PC run amok, or just another attempt to grab you with a headline?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/french-muslims-caught-between-rising-islamophobia-and-growing-extremism/2015/03/22/7359329c-c739-11e4-bea5-b893e7ac3fb3_story.html
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Well, there's about 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. Compare that to the roughly 2.2 billion Christians and 1 billion Hindus, I'd say that if the Muslims REALLY wanted us all dead, they'd have a pretty good chance about it.
Now since there aren't 1.6 billion members of ISIS, but more like a scant few thousand at best, I'd say that being afraid of 25% of the world's population based on the actions of 0.0000004% of the world's population is a pretty bad conclusion.
Now since there aren't 1.6 billion members of ISIS, but more like a scant few thousand at best, I'd say that being afraid of 25% of the world's population based on the actions of 0.0000004% of the world's population is a pretty bad conclusion.
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MSgt James Mullis
I hear this argument a lot however, I have to ask the question: Who is confusing Islamic Terrorists with the entire Muslim population of the world?
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illogically drawn conclusion. My answer would be no.
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COL Ted Mc
SPC Robby Robinson - Spec; How will you know if the Muslims are condemning terrorism if there is no money to be made by reporting it?
Where are the mass demonstrations condemning school shootings (other than those in the immediate community)? Does that mean that the mass of Americans endorse those school shootings? Believe me, if there was money to be made out of reporting them then they would be reported.
Where are the mass demonstrations condemning "gang and drive-by shootings? Does that mean that the mass of Americans endorse them? Believe me, if there was money to be made out of reporting them then they would be reported.
Where are the mass demonstrations condemning school shootings (other than those in the immediate community)? Does that mean that the mass of Americans endorse those school shootings? Believe me, if there was money to be made out of reporting them then they would be reported.
Where are the mass demonstrations condemning "gang and drive-by shootings? Does that mean that the mass of Americans endorse them? Believe me, if there was money to be made out of reporting them then they would be reported.
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SPC Robby Robinson
You can make the straw man argument all day long. I was very clear SIR and continue to be clear, I do NOT fear Muslims for being Muslim... AT no time was I speaking of anyone other than myself.
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COL Ted Mc
SPC Robby Robinson - Spec; It isn't a "straw man" argument. It is simply substituting different terms into the argument you are making to see if changing the nouns (while leaving the verbs alone) creates a statement which remains true.
You will also note that I never "negatived" any of the questions which I asked and the essence of a "straw man" argument is to advance a different proposition that the one being argued against and then "prove" that the different proposition is "false" without actually dealing with the original proposition.
You might want to refer to Mr. Nixon's "Checkers" speech in response to the allegation that he improperly used around $18,000 of campaign donations for personal expenses (and see if you can find any mention of the $18,000) as a really good example.
You will also note that I never "negatived" any of the questions which I asked and the essence of a "straw man" argument is to advance a different proposition that the one being argued against and then "prove" that the different proposition is "false" without actually dealing with the original proposition.
You might want to refer to Mr. Nixon's "Checkers" speech in response to the allegation that he improperly used around $18,000 of campaign donations for personal expenses (and see if you can find any mention of the $18,000) as a really good example.
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MSgt James Mullis
CPT Ahmed Faried - True, but who is confusing all muslims with Islamic terrorists?
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It is a phobia only insofar as it is inaccurate.
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LTC Bink Romanick
Capt Seid Waddell - There shouldn't be. But I understand that today ignorance is a virtue
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LTC Bink Romanick
2LT R. A. - Perhaps he should have kept his mouth shut. By the way , it's not protected speech.
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TSgt John Temblador, PI, CIPA
LTC Bink Romanick - I agree... Glad to see that a few can make it thru the "eye of the needle". Broad is the path to destruction... And in these days, what is wrong is right, and what is right, wrong. Anyone who cannot see this is either in denial or condones such behavior...
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TSgt John Temblador, PI, CIPA
Who's responsible for backgrounds with Muslim's and their ISIS ties... like this one.. video: https://youtu.be/gaRMPzBtnt8Muslim chaplain Suheil Laher was also an Al Qaeda fundraiser.
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
TSgt John Temblador, PI, CIPA - Powerful video that should be seen by everyone. Thanks for sharing.
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SSG Michael Hartsfield
CPO Andy Carrillo, MS - We can point fingers and keep score but the question that I feel isn't asked is how many wrongs do we all need to make as a people IOT make it right? Muslims STILL remember the atrocities of Richard, the Lion-hearted and The Crusades so when is either religion going to have the testicular fortitude acknowledge the wrongs each religion has committed and to respect each other's right to exist?
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COL Ted Mc
TSgt John Temblador, PI, CIPA Sergeant; Possibly you could tell me where Chaplain Suheil Laher's name appears in the verdict handed down (possibly it's printed underneath every repetition of the word "concealed" but I can't be sure).
You might also want to take note of the fact that the "terrorists" that were being supported were mostly the same people that the US government had been supporting in its attempt to get the Russians out of Afghanistan.
http://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2008/January/08_nsd_021.html
SSG Michael Hartsfield Staff; What many people don't seem to quite understand is that in the Eastern and Middle Eastern world wrongs done to "one's own" 500 years ago are still considered "current" and those of 1,000 aren't quite out of the "recent" category yet.
You might also want to take note of the fact that the "terrorists" that were being supported were mostly the same people that the US government had been supporting in its attempt to get the Russians out of Afghanistan.
http://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2008/January/08_nsd_021.html
SSG Michael Hartsfield Staff; What many people don't seem to quite understand is that in the Eastern and Middle Eastern world wrongs done to "one's own" 500 years ago are still considered "current" and those of 1,000 aren't quite out of the "recent" category yet.
#08-021: 01-11-08 Former Officers of a Muslim Charity, Care International, Inc., Convicted
WASHINGTON - Three men, a Libyan national and two Lebanese nationals, wereconvicted today in federal court of conspiring to defraud the United States andengaging in a scheme to conceal information from the United States government.
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Upfront I would say no but due to the fact that ISIS is terrorising the middle east and attacks have been made here in the states. I can only say that this is a natural defensive instinct. My thoughts!
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TSgt John Temblador, PI, CIPA
Who's responsible for backgrounds with Muslim's and their ISIS ties... like this one.. video: https://youtu.be/gaRMPzBtnt8Muslim chaplain Suheil Laher was also an Al Qaeda fundraiser.
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COL Ted Mc
SGT (Join to see) - Sergeant; Leaving the pathetic idiots of the WBBC out of the discussion, what about those kindly Christian folk who murder doctors and/or bomb medical clinics because "Those people are breaking God's Law.".
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COL Ted Mc - I've never seen a case of christians killing doctors in the name of god. If its true, I would hazard to guess there are many many christians who would speak out against them. I also seriously doubt that there is even the smallest fraction of violence in the name of god compared to muslim extremists.
I would also say that silence about the matter is the same as condoning it, and that you won't see christians dancing in the streets if such a group killed in the name of god.
I would also say that silence about the matter is the same as condoning it, and that you won't see christians dancing in the streets if such a group killed in the name of god.
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COL Ted Mc
SGT (Join to see) Sergeant; Currently you are correct about the proportions of violence creators. The majority of the violence is "Muslim-On-Muslim".
You might find http://list25.com/25-worst-acts-terrorism-committed/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_%28non-state%29_terrorist_incidents#1970.E2.80.93present interesting.
What appears to be "silence" is due to two main factors [1] In the United States of America it is not profitable to report such activity (and can actually be counter-productive to "career progression") and [2] in the Middle East (where the violence creators can actually get at you) can actually result in your own death.
Actually,
5 Years After Dr. Tiller’s Death, It’s Still Dangerous To Be An Abortion Doctor
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/05/30/3443128/dr-tiller-five-year-anniversary/
You might find http://list25.com/25-worst-acts-terrorism-committed/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_%28non-state%29_terrorist_incidents#1970.E2.80.93present interesting.
What appears to be "silence" is due to two main factors [1] In the United States of America it is not profitable to report such activity (and can actually be counter-productive to "career progression") and [2] in the Middle East (where the violence creators can actually get at you) can actually result in your own death.
Actually,
5 Years After Dr. Tiller’s Death, It’s Still Dangerous To Be An Abortion Doctor
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/05/30/3443128/dr-tiller-five-year-anniversary/
5 Years After Dr. Tiller’s Death, It’s Still Dangerous To Be An Abortion Doctor
Violence and harassment is still part of the fabric of abortion providers' everyday lives -- and it's poised to get even worse.
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SSG Richard Reilly Yes because it's rational to hate 1.3 billion people. I am ashamed of some of the ignorance that I see.
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TSgt John Temblador, PI, CIPA
Who's responsible for backgrounds with Muslim's and their ISIS ties... like this one.. video: https://youtu.be/gaRMPzBtnt8Muslim chaplain Suheil Laher was also an Al Qaeda fundraiser.
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TSgt John Temblador, PI, CIPA
It's not right to make "absolutes" which I am not.... I'm sure in WWII, when we took American-Japanese and placed them in camps, people thought all gender "Asians" we're communists... I'm addressing radical Islamic terrorism...
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COL Ted Mc
SSG Richard Reilly - Staff; at its peak, the membership in the Nazi party was around 8,000,000 out of a population of around 65,000,000 (approximately 12.3%). I can't quite believe that the strength of the al-Qa'eda/ISIS faction is around 184,615,384.
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I am divided on this. Part of me wants to say all people are created equal. The other part of me says, I have never known a Jew to fly a plane into a building, or a Hindu to strap a bomb to himself and blow up a bus. All in the name of religion. So hey there is something to it.
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LCpl Mark Lefler
SGT William Howell - no it doesn't and MS-13 are not Christians or have religious affliction, they're a gang from Guatemala/Honduras who were started by ex soldiers. I personally can't think of a more violent gang.
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SGT William Howell
LCpl Mark Lefler They are all Catholic. It is part of the rules of MS-13. So they are Christians. I was on a gang task force for a while, so I know a little about Mara Salvatrucha. It started in LA and moved to El Salvador. ANY WHO, They are not killing because they are Christians, but they are Christians. Hindi were not raping because the were Hindi. So your argument was moot. That was the point I was making.
A Jew may overcharge you on a diamond, but they are not going to behead you and if they do either it is not in the name of God.
A Jew may overcharge you on a diamond, but they are not going to behead you and if they do either it is not in the name of God.
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COL Ted Mc
SGT William Howell - Sergeant; Both the Hindus and the Sikhs have committed acts of terrorism which killed hundreds of people within the past 25 years. [Admittedly they didn't commit suicide whilst doing so - but the people that they killed are just as dead.]
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Phobias are irrational fears. While recognizing the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful, the recent and increasingly widespread, and often horrific, violence by Islamists (separating them from Muslims) specifically targeting Christians is real. Rational people fear getting their heads chopped off, getting hit by explosions along a marathon, and getting gunned down in a shopping mall.
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SSG Richard Reilly
Is it rational to believe that just one religion is going to be the source of all of that? Is it rational to segregate and ostracize members of that religion just because there are some extremist. I pointed out WBBC, and KKK. But there are many violent Christian organizations, many violent organizations period. I can't see any fear being rational. And the way people are reacting is beyond that of rational thought. It's not rational to give one man a beer in a can but a Muslim woman can't have a soda, that is fear…and very irrational fear. It's not rational so wave a flag but have a contest insulting a religion, that's anger driven by fear. That is truly the result of terrorism, if you break it down to the simplest definition, it causes fear and that fear created a reaction. And that reaction creates support on either side of the terrorist views.
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Col Joseph Lenertz
I don't support the contest. The numbers don't point to WBBC or KKK or any violent Christian organizations. I just keep my head on a swivel more than I used to, and I don't think that's a phobia. If the phobia word is attempting to make me "feel bad" or be less vigilant, it is not working.
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Some of our best friends as Islamic also
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SSG Richard Reilly
...lol...I wanted to say name some becuase that sounds like what someone says when they are called racist.
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LCDR (Join to see)
SSG Richard Reilly - I think it is our Media and Politicians that pile all the hate on us because it advances their cause not because it is right.
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it's never ok to say a whole population of people are evil.
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