Posted on Mar 23, 2015
Col Joseph Lenertz
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Is it rational to fear ISIS & Al Quaida? So why does the press call it Islamophobia?

I was taught "phobia" means "an irrational fear of"...but it's rational to be afraid to get your head chopped off, isn't it? Is this PC run amok, or just another attempt to grab you with a headline?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/french-muslims-caught-between-rising-islamophobia-and-growing-extremism/2015/03/22/7359329c-c739-11e4-bea5-b893e7ac3fb3_story.html
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Capt Richard I P.
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Phobia implies irrational fear. So no, Islamaphobia is not justified because a small subset follow Islam.

Skeptical suspicion and analytic consideration leading to heuristic rapid assessments until disproven in order to reduce lethal surprise? That's justified.
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SSG Richard Reilly
SSG Richard Reilly
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Is it rational to believe that just one religion is going to be the source of all of that? Is it rational to segregate and ostracize members of that religion just because there are some extremist. I pointed out WBBC, and KKK. But there are many violent Christian organizations, many violent organizations period. I can't see any fear being rational. And the way people are reacting is beyond that of rational thought. It's not rational to give one man a beer in a can but a Muslim woman can't have a soda, that is fear…and very irrational fear. It's not rational to wave a flag but have a contest insulting a religion, that's anger driven by fear. That is truly the result of terrorism, if you break it down to the simplest definition, it causes fear and that fear created a reaction. And that reaction creates support on either side of the terrorist views.
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Capt Richard I P.
Capt Richard I P.
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SSG Richard Reilly Your copy-paste response is noted (and would bear some proof-reading). There are outliers of violence in all beliefs, but numbers don't lie. Fear is a rational response to a threat. I base my assessments on likely threats. I don't advocate baiting others based on their beliefs, or generally being impolite in any way. But there's a difference between people just being ill-mannered, rude and disruptive and "Islamaphobia."

As to your statement "That is truly the result of terrorism, if you break it down to the simplest definition, it causes fear and that fear created a reaction." (I'm not sure what reaction you were referring to but regardless) you may be interested in this thread: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-is-terrorism

You may also be interested in this other related thread started by another recipient of your copy-paste response: Col Joseph Lenertz https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/is-it-rational-to-fear-isis-al-quaida-so-why-does-the-press-call-it-islamophobia
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SSG Richard Reilly
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Both were fine answers. And both were very similar answers. So I copy pasted my further thought on the topic to create more dialog. I am not entirely sure if you think I am baiting someone or being impolite but I can assure you that is not my intention. This was a question formulated to cause conversation on the topic, conversation that would bring out what appears to be experts like you and Col Lenertz. But it was also written to make people think about the topic in a broader more general/simple manner. Maybe even provide another person's point of view on it.
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SSG Norman Lihou
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It is interesting from a psychological perspective how Western culture loves to come to the defense of a victim. I think this goes to a narrative to cast doubt on those who are supporting illicit and threat networks to use the term of a phobia which also means that the person who is making accusations is then racist or a bigot.

CAIR is one of those organizations that have ties to illicit and threat networks that uses the term Islamaphobia. There was the case of the two Florida students who were traveling near a military installation in South Carolina and were stopped for speeding. When the officer approached the car he noticed that they acted suspicious hiding a laptop and some other behavior. When he looked in the trunk, he saw pipe bombs and explosives. The explosives were blown up in place and the story that CAIR spun was that these Egyptian college students were traveling the coast to shoot off fireworks and that the cops were Islamaphobic. CAIR held a number of press conferences and the FBI analysis showed that the items in the trunk were explosives and not fireworks. The two had traveled off of 95 by 40 miles because they were looking for cheap gas and were near a military installation known to hold HVI.

http://www.investigativeproject.org/426/indicted-usf-student-has-terror-past-in#
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COL Ted Mc
COL Ted Mc
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SSG Norman Lihou - Staff; an interesting link to an article from 2007.

You might be interested in a bit of an update.

PS - I'm not unmindfull of the fact that Ahmed Mohamed (NOT the "Clock Kid") was sentenced to 15 years in jail for a separate incident. Nor am I unmindful of the fact that Ahmed Mohamed (NOT the "Clock Kid") was legally in the United States of America because he was admitted by the US government in 2007 (BEFORE Mr. Obama became the President of the United States of America [just to prevent any possibly confusion on that point]) - even though he had been jailed in his native Egypt for "terrorist related" activities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/22/us/22deport.html?_r=0
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SFC Jeremy Smith
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I work in Saudi Arabia, many of their forces are on the border of Iraq and Yemen and they are building a fence on the Iraq border...so if these Muslim countries like UAE, Jordan and Saudi Arabia are worried about these extremism I say that it is a legitimate threat and not Islamophobia 
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SSG Norman Lihou
SSG Norman Lihou
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Yemen has probably become the number one fear as the Houthis have gained power with the backing on the Iranians.
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SFC Jeremy Smith
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Their response is minor to them....but Iranian influence in the east and in Bahrain which ran by Sunnis is a concern in their country....we had two vehicles shot up one in the Shia area and one the Sunni...so they have their hands full constantly making arrests they had some Saudi border patrol shot up on the Iraqi border side
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PV2 Scott Goodpasture
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I don't think its irrational at all. The evidence is everywhere pointing to male Muslim extremist in their continuing thirst for blood and death. It's always been there since I can remember. It's irrational to discount it as a phobia when it is fact. Not only is it PC run Amok but it's a Liberal self loathing to the point that they would see us all subjugated because at some point in their pathetic bleeding heart lives someone teased them for being fat or ugly or didn't pick them for kick ball in the fourth grade. The media has an agenda it seems and it's not in the interest of Americans or their national security.
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TSgt John Temblador, PI, CIPA
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COL Ted Mc
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TSgt John Temblador, PI, CIPA - Sergeant; Your article asks us to wonder why 0.03% of the US population is being investigated for terrorist "ties" (whatever that means) and that is a good question.

However, to put the figures into context, could you let me know how many active investigations the FBI has right now? Could you let me know how many active homicide investigations the FBI has right now? Could you let me know how many active investigations ALL police/enforcement/investigative arms of the US government have right now (and, of those, how many are [excluding duplications of effort] concerned with terrorist "ties"?
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SFC Maury Gonzalez
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It all started with social media after 9/11, every time you hear news about " we can't do that because we don't want to offend someone " It is about the Muslims, schools, malls, businesses dont want to offend Islam. Never mind that if you are gay, Christian or a woman they will kill you in 2 second if you go to their countries lke Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan or Pakistan. How come its ok to have Halloween costume of the pope, but if you try to dress as muhammad th FBI and Obama dept of justice will investigate as a hate crime
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CPL Derek Bryant
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I affirm that the bigoted reaction of many in the west toward Muslims originates out of ignorance and mis-information created by parties with ulterior motives. For instance, when the United States, England, France, Canada, and many other countries allied with them were fighting the Germany during WWII there was no phobia attached to the religion of the Axis Powers. The judging of individuals or groups which number in the hundreds of millions by the acts of a few (what ever there motivation) should not be accepted and or condoned in the United States, nor in any country that values freedom. To condone such actions promoting or allowing things like a Muhammad cartoon contest would surely violate the alleged principles upon which the United States was founded.
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Col Joseph Lenertz
Col Joseph Lenertz
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The question is about ISIS and Al Quaida, not about Islam or Muslims in general. This is why I raised the question regarding the press labeling fear of those two specific groups as Islamophobia. I believe the press is failing to make the distinction between the two, and that is dangerous.
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COL Ted Mc
COL Ted Mc
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Col Joseph Lenertz - Colonel; Whether the terrorists are "Islamic terrorists" or "terrorists" or "murderous sociopaths" ultimately doesn't matter on the ground because it is ALWAYS a bad move to label "the enemy" with a tag that includes reference to something that "the locals" hold in high regard. The majority of Muslims will agree that "terrorists" are a bad thing. The vast majority of Muslims will heartily agree that "murderous sociopaths" are a bad thing. Tagging "Islamic" on to either of those terms is only going to make "the locals" needlessly uncomfortable.

On the other hand, "the media" works on the presumption that they make the majority of their profit from people who have (a maximum of) a 30 second attention span and who wouldn't recognize a nuance if it bit them on the butt.

“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.” - H.L. Mencken [Chicago Tribune - 19 SEP 1926] {Frequently misquoted as 'Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.'}
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COL Sam Russell
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There is no requirement to protect speech that is not offensive. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

As Judge Andrew Nepolitano once stated the Constitution was established to protect the speech "we fear, hate and loathe," because "the speech we like doesn't need protection."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/24/andrew-napolitano-protecting-hatred-preserves-free/?page=all
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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There is a lot of mutual hate.
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