Posted on Jun 21, 2014
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SFC Opsnco
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While we are at it I think we should change the following team names:

Univ. of Texas - El Paso (Miners) offensive to mine workers
Univ. of Alaska - Fairbanks (Nanooks) offensive to Inuits
Tampa Bay (Buccaneers) offensive to pirates
Montreal (Canadians) offensive to Canadians
Chicago (Blackhawks) offensive to Blackhawks
Vancouver (Canucks) offensive to Canadinas
San Diego (Padres) offensive to priests
Cleveland (Indians) offensive to Native Americans
New York (Yankees) offensive to people who fought to preserve the Union during the Civil War
Too many more to list.

Oh, almost forgot how about the following Army inventory...
"Kiowa", "Blackhawk", "Iroquois", "Chinook", "Creek", "Lakota"

Lastly, Cracker Jacks, the caramel covered popcorn and peanut snack, is highly offensive to my Caucasian wife. Can we sue the company into changing their name?

I may get a thumbs down or two and I may be called intolerant bigot. I sure hope that any thumbs down or name calling will be followed by a post explaining your rationale.
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PO1 Walter Duncan
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The fact that the Copyright Office changes the law on a team to say the copyright on that team name and logo is no longer valid is another disgrace to allowing our laws to be dismantled without proper reasoning. The continued dismantling of our nation for a select few without the permission of the nation is creating chaos and anger when there is no need. These topics are really non-issues but are being made so by media and social media for the reason of election and potential racial divides which many have given there hearts and lives over the years to achieve the levels we have today. Only to see silly tactics try and break down these achievements. Pray for our land.
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SSgt Gary Hendershot
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The whole thing is just a tactic of the great dividers. They are trying desperately to set us against each other because in their quest for more power, the more distracted people are by subjects like this, the less attention they pay to the destruction of our country. I am so sick of the political correctness movement. This trend where a small minority start telling people what they can say, see, read, speak, and think is at the core of our problems as a nation. I've even heard them attacking the Army's naming convention for Helicopters! What they fail to see is that you don't name sports teams, or helicopters for that matter, for things that are weak or things you don't respect. You don't have the Carolina kittens, you have Panthers! The Redskins aren't defiling native americans, they are holding them up as a shining example of everything that is great and fierce! In fact, I think we should adopt new names for out best helicopters just to spite them! We'll name them Kike, Spic, Cracker, Honkey, Diago, and Whop… Our troops can then get into their Spic attack helicopter and fire a spear chucker missile right up some jihadists terrorist's Azz! God bless America!
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SFC Cryptologic Network Warfare Specialist
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SSgt Gary Hendershot, are you suggesting that it is okay to use racial derogatory terms?
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SSgt Gary Hendershot
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I am not suggesting anything. I am flatly stating that the 1st amendment protects all speech, derogatory or other, and that no government has the right or the power to tell people what they are and are not allowed to say! I may not agree with what you are saying, and I am free to express that opinion, but I swore an oath to uphold the constitution, and by god, I'll fight to the death to protect your right to speak your mind! The freedom to speak and be heard is one of those inalienable rights bestowed upon us by our creator that our government is prohibited from legislating against. Something to think about… who gets to determine what is derogatory? Derogatory implies intent. Speaking with the intent of degrading a person of group of people… When my black friend tells me I'm his "nigga" is that derogatory? If the 1st amendment doesn't protect offensive speech, then why have it? No one is going to try to stop people from saying things everyone agrees with! I've never called anyone any of those names, in fact I have been called several of them when there was intent to degrade, but I don't object to the words. They are just words. The real danger is letting the political class (something that was never supposed to exist in America where the people are supposed to govern themselves) ban or censor free speech, because in doing, they limit communication and the sharing of ideas. When it comes to use of derogatory terms in real life, my opinion is that if your argument is so weak that you have to resort to name calling, you have lost the debate, and your ideas are not worth my time.
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Also just found this
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Even Better!!
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Priceless Ma'am!!
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SSG Robert Burns
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Last time I checked, if I owned something, I could call it whatever I want. You also have your right to be offended by it. Then the day goes on.
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SSgt Structural Craftsman
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I agree we fight and die for all of our rights, not just the ones we want to use and how we want to use them. Everyone likes freedom of speech till someone doesn't like what someone else is saying.
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I would have to agree, freedom of speech and expression is no longer free. You either need a permit or someone will tell you "no, you can say or do that."
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SSG Robert Burns
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SFC Jeremy Cook Thank God for the down vote! I thought I was getting soft. Almost forgot what it feels like.
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Is it wrong for the Washington Redskins to have to change their name?
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I see a few educated and respectable people mentioning a percentage of Native Americans aren't offended which makes me think there's some validity to it but I need to know where this statistic comes from. In my experience, the majority of Native American populations aren't exactly out there taking polls for statistical purposes. They're on the reservation suffering from poverty and alcoholism.

As far as people being too sensitive these days, I completely agree, however to be frank, this is a straight jacked-up name that isn't on the same playing field as, let's say...wearing a dress to a military ball. Our nation owes a great deal of consideration to this specific group of people who are still suffering the consequences of what our government started many moons ago. In my humble opinion, a "great deal of consideration" means going above and beyond to make amends with Native Americans.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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1LT(P) Michael Barden I am from Onalaska, Texas sir, Southeast Texas :)
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SFC Stephen Carden
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Haha! Texas towns have funny names.
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SA Harold Hansmann
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I was born a Texan. Born on fort Sam army base in San Antonio Tx, father was ssg in the Air Force, so I joined the Navy. But was raised a yooper. ( yooper = someone from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.) the lower peninsula people are trolls as they live below the mackinaw bridge. :~{D>
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MAJ Operational Contract Support Cell/Mortuary Affairs Oic
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Hey T! Don't have me vote you down for that comment. LOL!
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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The Washington Redskins need to change the name of the team. Drop the Washington because it is embarrassing. Seriously, I do not see the problem and do not think it is demeaning to our Native American people.
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I can totally agree with that...love it.
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IMHO, I believe that CPT (Join to see) has presented the most logical (and legal) option there is to possibly resolve this "discussion". I don't believe that anyone is denying the suffering of Native Americans, but the topic was started as asking is it wrong for the team to have to change their name. So, to answer the question that was asked, yes it would be wrong for our country to force the privately owned team to change it's name. Allow our free market economy to do operate and if the people that are truly offended gain enough support through boycotting (not purchasing merchandise, tickets, etc..) then perhaps the team will choose to change it of their own free will.
I would like to add, if you go down the road of attempting to force the team to change the name, you are going down a slippery slope that will eventually have unintended consequences. People with nefarious intentions will begin claiming "offense" for all sorts of things.
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Agreed SFC Joseph Benavidez.
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SSG Medically Retired
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SFC Joseph Benavidez, they already are. I'm sure they are already working on. PTSD version of hurt feelings and the offended upon. It's so engrained in society that people have this self and societal produced need to be offended.
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SSG (Join to see) I agree our society has become overly sensitive, which does not necessarily apply to this topic, but many others. And that's why I feel some people want the gov't to act in this case. It would be wrong if they did, let the system work like it was designed to. I promise, as people are truly offended, this team will suffer financially and will eventually acquiesce. We just need to be patient. Nothing worth having comes easy or quick.
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MAJ Carl Ballinger I agree with you, this is not a sensitivity issue. I was just responding to how I interpreted SSG (Join to see) statement of how "they" are working on the PTSD version of hurt feelings. I took it to mean the country in general has become overly sensitive. I believe that if the gov't forces the team to change the name, other groups(with less than honorable intentions) will seize upon it as a precedent and invoke they are offended by something else and demand the gov't act as they might against this team. Having said all that, I do support Washington changing it's name, just on their own and not because Congress tells them to.
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It is amazing how the PC culture has taken over.
If it offends then don't watch,buy whatever.
We have become overly sensitive and the politicians are more worried about reelection and catering to the special interest groups than doing what is best for this country
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So your saying it's best for our country to stay ignorant? What if we had a team called "The Slave Owners",? or would that too insulting to African American? Well the same goes for Native Americans, they find it insulting that we decided to name a bunch of things in America racist names and nobody says anything because it's socially excepted by the majority population, but that doesn't make it right
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I personally know many Native Americans that are offended by these names
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If the majority always rules, women shouldn't be able to vote nor should blacks. Interracial marriages shouldn't be legal. Blacks should be treated as slaves. People shouldn't have the freedom of religion. And so on.
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It started with the Washington Bullets having to change their name. Now it's the Redskins. Next it'll be the Braves and Indians. Then PETA will find the Tigers, Dolphins, Rams, etc offensive. Then someone will say that a team named the Patriots is offensive.. and the Yankees...and the Celtics..
It's pretty ridiculous how we've gone from a society that enforces character through winning and losing and rewarding based off of accomplishment and merit to giving every thin skinned, bleeding heart a gold star so they don't get their feelings hurt.
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I think it's wrong - only a minor small group of indians finds the name offensive. My wife is American indian and is not in the least bit offended.

I do however, think that 2nd LTs should be required to salute 1LTs...
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Thanks SFC Cook. I try! :)
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SFC Cryptologic Network Warfare Specialist
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It is equivalent saying that one can't be a racist because he/she has a black friend.
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SFC Network Engineer
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I understood what you meant CSM - even if others don't.
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SFC Network Engineer
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MAJ Carl Ballinger - huh... well, seems there are posers all over the place - even here on RP... Thanks for the heads up.
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I don't believe they should be forced to change it - I think they should change it because it's wrong and they recognize it as such. My former boss is a HUGE fan and is Asian. He admitted to me that he was conflicted about the issue - loves the team, hates the name. I told him to stop buying the merchandise if he wanted to make that point.

As far as being "too sensitive," I'm sick of that argument. The situation when the team was named was that people who were offended were unable or afraid to complain, and knew that their concerns would fall on deaf ears. It is a very positive sign that people feel enabled to to voice their offense. They have tolerated something pretty awful for a long time and should now now be labeled as "sensitive, when the reality is that the main stream population is too insensitive.

That said, there is a strong distinction between having a voice and having a veto. Things that injure should be outlawed; things that offend...meh, avoid it. If enough people are truly offended, and avoid supporting the team, they will change their name on their own.
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SSgt Structural Craftsman
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I am sorry for misunderstanding your comments, but as I said as i read them it sounded like i had previously stated that is why I asked what you meant by injure. I believe you did elaborate with the example that words to an employer can injure.
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Right, if you tell a lie about me, say to my friend who ignores the remarks, I have no grounds to sue you for attempting to defame my character because your remarks produced no actual injury. I don't believe that anyone has been able to prove that the "Redskins" name has caused them a legally valid injury. Therefore, it should NOT be outlawed. If all of the offended people stop buying merchandise and tickets, the team will change the name because of the economic pressure.

This is what I mean by a voice, not a veto. You have the right to speak your opinion and try to convince others of your opinion, but I do not believe anyone should have the right to veto something just because they don't like it. If you cannot get enough people to bring about economic pressure for change, it's dirty pool to demand a change to the law.
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I got voted down... dang.
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SPC Cross, unprofessional and very disrespectful comment.
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SSG Robert Burns
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I think this is a good compromise.
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SPC Charles Brown
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Are you serious, might as well call them the spud heads. Nope cannot do that it would be offensive to potatoes.
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Problem solved.
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That's a good one :-D
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