Posted on May 3, 2016
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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Every APFT I took was followed by a weigh in and measure, even the one I took at the SGM academy. Many do.
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SGT James LeFebvre
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I think in the 11 years I was in, I only saw a height/weight not done on the same day as the APFT maybe a couple times.
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PFC Jim Wheeler
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I never even saw a height/weight done at all in my unit...

Don't recall ever having height/weight done, even at OSUT/ABN.
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Is there a regulation or FM that says SM have to do height and weight for a 705 to be valid?
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SFC(P) Senior Drill Sergeant
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SPC (Join to see) - Use https://armypubs.army.mil/ to research the following most up-to-date regulations: AR 600-9 and FM 7-22.
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SFC John Hill
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From AR 600-9 The Army Body Composition Program; para 3–4. Weigh-in and body fat assessment. b. In order to ensure the ABCP does not interfere with Soldier performance on the APFT, commanders and supervisors are encouraged to allow a minimum of 7 days between APFT and weigh-in, if feasible. Some Soldiers that are close to exceeding the screening weight may attempt to lose weight quickly in the days leading up to a weigh-in. This practice may result in the Soldier being unable to perform his or her best on the APFT, if the two events are scheduled close together.
App B–2. Height and weight measurements. b. The weight will be measured with the Soldier in stocking feet and wearing the authorized physical fitness uniform (trunks and T-shirt); running shoes will not be worn.
Note the "encouraged" and “if feasible” statements in the paragraph.
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SPC Petroleum Supply Specialist
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Oh okay so it's up to commander and 1sgt then
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SSG 92 A Automated  Logistics Specialist
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That's correct currently units are implemented the usage of 7 days for HT and WT
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MSG Sf O/Ct
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Is this for knowledge or because someone is worried about passing weight? Every Soldier in the US Army should be ready at anytime (barring recovery from a surgery or such) to be able to pass a PT test and HT/WT. If you are worried about being fat, because I have before, you need to step back and take a quick look at yourself and reasses were you are on stabdards
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SPC Petroleum Supply Specialist
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For my knowledge I here a lot of soldiers talking about it I would like to give them definite answer
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Is your unit allowed to give you a PT test and height/weight on the same day? I tried looking it up on 600-9, but I need a definite answer.
SFC Senior Small Group Leader (Ssgl)
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For the first 13 years of my career that's how it was done. Now in the last two years a lot of units have gone to doing them a week apart
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SSG Dan McIntosh
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Your on the right track, it is in AR 600-9. Go to Para 3-4b.
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SFC Retention Operations Nco
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That's how every unit I have ever been a part of does it. It's better for the Soldier as it gives you a chance to sweat off a few pounds.
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SFC Randy Purham
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It is not the preferred method, but it is authorized. It is actually outlined in both AR 350-1 and FM 7-22 where it talks about APFT and H/W. What is your issue with both being done on the same day?
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SFC Retention and Transition NCO (USAR)
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They are have been many that have been starving themselves and not hydrating themselves to pass the ht/wt, but then causing medical issues and ultimately lower scores in the APFT.
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CPT Mark Gonzalez
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Key word in the regulation is "encouraged" to allow seven days. I believe the max is 30 days and it was done due to Soldiers dropping dead on APFT's having cut too much water weight for the HT/WT. There are several regs for the APFT and HT/WT from the AR, FM, and TC.
All Soldiers are allowed to complain. However, losers complain with no solutions and winners fix the problem or find solutions. Be careful if looking to regs to prove your leaders wrong. Regs are black and white and most events in life and people are grey. You want a leader with experience and the regs to help guide, but if you wanted just the regs a robot could be your leader and that isn't how human interaction works.
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COL Strategic Plans Chief
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It is not strictly forbidden so it is authorized to do so. It's not even pushing the limits to do so. If someone is so near to height weight that they need to "cut" in order to make it, they don't need to cut...they need to change their lifestyle.
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WO1 Ierw Student
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Yes they may, although it is RECOMMENDED to do it no later than 7 days after the recorded APFT
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CSM David Heidke
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It's not feasible for the Reserve components to do the two 7 days apart.

We have always done it the same day.
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SSG C Ied & Irw Instructor
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SPC Lopez,
SFC Hill already provided your answer, but I'd like to address for you, and the people you're asking for, the "allowed" part.

My first impression on reading this question was that someone was worried about passing height and weight and was looking for a legalistic way to "void" a tape test. We should be wary of searching for answers in an attempt to usurp the Chain of Command or play "gotcha" with our leaders.

Best of luck!

SSG Barin
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CPT Mark Gonzalez
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SSG (Join to see) I agree, having seen too many posts on RP by cry baby SM's looking for regulatory ways to avoid lawful orders. This SM claims to be getting the knowledge to inform other Soldiers and that seems appropriate. Otherwise, your comment is spot on.
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SSG Jeremy Kohlwes
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I have never known it to be done any other way, at least for the 13 years I was in.
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SPC Human Resources Specialist
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It depends on the unit and for what reasons they have. You can ask the commander to wave it because by regulation it’s recommended that CDR give 7 days for a soldier to get weighted. Sometimes if you’re going to school for promotion, if there’s not enough time, they will do it on the same day. I guess it’s different in every unit.
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SSG Satellite Communication Systems Operator/Maintainer
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In my unit, we usually tape the individual twice, immediately following the pt test and one week later so there can be complaints concerning the wording of 600-9 bc it is left to interpretation.
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SSG(P) John Newcomb
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Yes. I believe the reg says that the unit can do it anytime within 7 days of the APFT
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1SG Timothy Trewin
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Yes they can although they don't have to. They do have to give you a HT/WT within seven days of an APFT, however.
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SSG CH-47 Helicopter Repairer
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You can weigh and tape up to seven days after the PT test AR 600-9 chapter 3 3-4
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MSG Intermediate Care Technician
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Recommended 7 days apart but within 30 days (give or take a few days) at a max....per the reg but not exact wording.
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CSM Bn Ssa
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That is usually how it is done. The old regulation said you have to do it within 30 days but the revised regulation says commanders are advised to give Soldiers at least 7 days. But every unit I have been assigned to did both the same day to save time. Ultimately it falls on the commanders discretion.
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SSG Multichannel Transmission Systems Operator/Maintainer
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Yes! You need to be within all standards 24/7.
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