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I ran into two NCOs wearing undershirts outside and told them they could not go into the px and had to change as per 8th army regulations. I asked one if he was a Soldier and he replied "I'm an NCO" and it made me wonder, when and why did that become a disparity? Why do so many NCO's and Officer's not think of themselves as Soldiers?
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I always lived by that credo. Though the Marines are the only ones who proudly and emphatically state that one is a Marine above all else.
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1stSgt Timothy Lucas
I think it is important for Service Members to realize that their service (i.e. Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, etc.) supersedes their specific MOS, job or specialty. I think this helps to eliminate the “elitism” mentality. It also helps to ensure that awards/punishments are administered evenly and justly.
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Is a Naval Officer a Sailor? Oh, wait, that is another thread and YES, Heck Yes, all members of the Navy are Sailors just like all members of the Army are Soldiers. All of us are in the MIlitary and members of the same Fraternity and Sorority as Brothers and Sisters in Arms. Marines are of course Marines. I also include CG and Marines in the Sea Services elite.
Let Civilians and outsiders beware as we do close ranks when outsiders get into our sibling rivalry. But remember and write this down, Go Navy, Beat Army!
Just so the AF does not feel slighted - if anyone knows the current rumors as to what they might be doing, please enlighten the rest of us.
Let Civilians and outsiders beware as we do close ranks when outsiders get into our sibling rivalry. But remember and write this down, Go Navy, Beat Army!
Just so the AF does not feel slighted - if anyone knows the current rumors as to what they might be doing, please enlighten the rest of us.
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The issue I see here is that some choose to associate the term "Soldier" as to mean "lower enlisted". They think that once the title of NCO or Officer is given to them, it replaces the title of Soldier.
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SGT Steve Oakes
When I was in (86-92) we were all Soldiers. We would regularly be addressed as " My fellow Soldiers" by our leaders.
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It is a rank concious thing for some. Good leaders will think of themselves as "Soldiers", both officers and NCOs. I remember one particular battalion XO I once had who I would remind often that "You Sir, are also a Soldier!" He did not like the fact that I had convinced the battalion commander that when the unit went thru annual CTT training/testing, I (1SG) had made it mandatory for everyone in the unit, including officers. The XO was pissed as he had to do the training also, as I was the HQ's First Sergeant! The Bn Cdr thought it was great and enjoyed the time he spent interacting with the Soldiers and also demonstrating that as the Bn Cdr, he was also a Soldier and perform those basic common tasks as they were required. I didn't like the XO anyway and anytime I could piss him off, oh well! (Oh, this was back in the early 90s at Ft. Bragg NC). Yeah I'm a little outdated here, I know!
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Maybe the Army sees it differently but I was a Sailor once I was sworn into the Navy. I'm still one now, although now I'm a Senior Enlisted Sailor. IMO, Naval Officers are also Sailors.
To tie this back to the original question, it seems to me that the proper response to the their "We're NCOs" is "All the more reason that you should know better than to be going around out of uniform."
To tie this back to the original question, it seems to me that the proper response to the their "We're NCOs" is "All the more reason that you should know better than to be going around out of uniform."
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SSgt Robert Clark
Unless things have changed in the past 21 years, you are still refereed to as "airman" in the Air Force, regardless of rank, so I can't see why it would be an issue to be called a soldier regardless of ones rank. When I was in for respective branches we were refereed to as - Soldier, Sailer, Airman or Marine regardless of rank. It was not meant as a slight or put down, it was simply a term of recognition for ones service in whatever branch.
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Well I will call "Bull Shit" on that!
Everyone in the Army is a Solider!
Everyone in the Corps is a Marine (and a Rifleman)
Everyone in the Navy and Coast Guard are Sailors (and a Damage Controlman)
Everyone in the Air Force is an Airman
It is the damn generational sense of entitlement. I am a Senior Chief Petty Officer and Command Senior Chief, but I am a SAILOR first and foremost and I damn sure am willing to do anything that I ask my Sailors to do, and they know it. When I recite the Sailors Creed I say "I AM A UNITED SATES NAVY SAILOR", not "I AM A UNITED STATES NAVY SENIOR CHIEF PETTY OFFICER".
It is not much different it some one calls me Chief rather than Senior Chief. I am not going to rip them apart, have to be a CPO before you are a SCPO or MCPO, we are all Chiefs. Call me Sailor I am fine with it.
Should have asked the ass clown who his CSM was!!
Everyone in the Army is a Solider!
Everyone in the Corps is a Marine (and a Rifleman)
Everyone in the Navy and Coast Guard are Sailors (and a Damage Controlman)
Everyone in the Air Force is an Airman
It is the damn generational sense of entitlement. I am a Senior Chief Petty Officer and Command Senior Chief, but I am a SAILOR first and foremost and I damn sure am willing to do anything that I ask my Sailors to do, and they know it. When I recite the Sailors Creed I say "I AM A UNITED SATES NAVY SAILOR", not "I AM A UNITED STATES NAVY SENIOR CHIEF PETTY OFFICER".
It is not much different it some one calls me Chief rather than Senior Chief. I am not going to rip them apart, have to be a CPO before you are a SCPO or MCPO, we are all Chiefs. Call me Sailor I am fine with it.
Should have asked the ass clown who his CSM was!!
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They will act that way as long as their leadership permits it. I am a soldier and behave that way....most of the time. Should be no disparity between EM, NCO, Officer standards. Obviously, we have different jobs but all are Soldiers.
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Because in todays Army, just like everywhere else in America, this entitled attitude has developed and people think that they're above things when they're really just 8 up.
Also, the statement "everyone in the Army is a soldier" is quite debateable these days.
Also, the statement "everyone in the Army is a soldier" is quite debateable these days.
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COL Randall Cudworth
SGT Barrie, how so? I absolutely agree with you if you mean "not everyone in the Army acts like a soldier".
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I think people forget where they start from and that a SOLDIER is something to be proud of. I was a NCO SOLDIER which just meant it was my job to lead teach and make the best soldiers I could make to follow in my foot steps.
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I do not know when this started to become an issue but i have seen this as well, i agree, this is a problem we muct face head on; we are all soilders first, you cannot be an NCO or Officer in the US Army if you are not a Soilder as well.
To fix this we should confront the offenders and mold their way of thinking at the peer level and through proper leadership mentoring and guidance.
To fix this we should confront the offenders and mold their way of thinking at the peer level and through proper leadership mentoring and guidance.
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