Posted on Jul 9, 2016
CPT Jack Durish
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I wish I could find a better source for this video, but a Facebook link is the best I can do. Basically, it reports that you are 7X more likely to be murdered, 15X more likely to be killed in an auto accident, and 42X more likely to be raped than to experience excessive police brutality. Other sources of crime statistics that I've checked seem to bear out the facts presented in this video.
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Cpl Justin Goolsby
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It is only as pervasive as the media makes it out to be. In my 33 years, every experience I've had with law enforcement has been pleasant. Some people would attribute that to my skin color. I attribute that to the fact we didn't have social media back then to sensationalize every little instance with law enforcement. Everyone wants to think they are a Facebook lawyer, but none of them want to actually go to law school. Most people would rather escalate a situation because "well I saw this on Facebook".
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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I HATE To AGREE,
But I Gave Ya a "Thumbs Up" On That One.
And Most People Really ARE Ignorant S.O.B.'S.
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SPC Kirk Gilles
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Well sir, maybe mere numbers would bear that out as we have only 800,000 plus/minus cops to interact with 300,000,000 folks.
But then you can say that roughly 2%, a reoccurring 2%, commit the most crimes and interact with LE. So cops now have a smaller pool to abuse, as it were, and appear to abuse far less then they could (?).
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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And THIS Is Probably The Result:
Most US Crimes Go Unsolved and Many Victims Don't ... - Insider
http://www.insider.com/police-dont-solve-most-violent...
The data suggest that most of the other 54.5% of violent crimes and 82.4% of property crimes in 2018 went unsolved, though there are a few caveats to the FBI's data that are important to note — namely, that it's possible some of those crimes will be solved in subsequent years for which the FBI has not yet published data.
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LTC David Brown
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I am almost willing to bet that these two cases will turn out to be justified.
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MAJ Rene De La Rosa
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LTC David Brown, they already are coming out on the justification of the shooting. The problem is that the protesters do not care about the facts; they are primarily there to right previous felt wrongs that were done years ago. Apologies and constant introspection of white people will not solve the nation's problems, and yet that is what the nation's leaders think we should do (sorry about the diatribe). It simply does not make any sense.
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LTC David Brown
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MAJ Rene De La Rosa - agreed. I can't change the past.
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SGM Steve Wettstein
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LTC David Brown - Don't know about the MN one but I totally agree with you on the LA one.
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SSgt Forensic Meteorological Consultant
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It is happening too much and I think everything is backwards. Cops in the smaller towns and cities were more Mayberry RFD, now we have officers covering for each other. If we had an internal affairs investigation not conclude that police had followed protocols. This adds insult to injury. This burns in everyone; we elect leaders and they avoid us.
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SGT Norman Cillo Well, the Marine officer smacking the Army Veteran and IA basically covering up for the Police. There is also that and that the department has had above normal police brutality incidents.
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MSgt Frank Askins
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In almost every case of what the media portrays as "police brutality", you find the individual failing and outright refusing to follow instructions given them by the police. Their actions often escalate the situation to a point that is totally unnecessary but caused by them, not the police. Yes, there are hotheads on the force but those are few and far between. If you want to spout your rights, you will have a chance in court. You will never win when confronted by the police so just comply and your experience will be less "brutal".
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MSG Thomas Currie
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A lot depends on what you count as "police brutality" -- and that absolutely depends almost entirely on who is doing the counting.

I have no doubt that unprovoked police brutality did occur in some places at some times and still occurs occasionally. I also have no doubt that nearly all instances of police brutality that do occur are covered up by police and politicians at all levels.

But the questions of how pervasive and how frequent "police brutality" is are different -- and again, both vary with what gets counted.

If we define "police brutality" as unnecessary force used by police, my unscientific guess would be that it is very nearly 100% pervasive in that it does occur in nearly every department in the nation. I would also suggest that your chances of experiencing physical police brutality are very nearly zero if you aren't involved in one of a few triggering activities (most of which are illegal). One way to nearly guarantee being the victim of police brutality is to be the subject of a high speed car chase.

Like it or not, police officers are human -- with human emotions, human physical responses (such as adrenaline dump) -- this isn't an excuse, but it is reality -- and unfortunately it is a reality that is not well addressed in police training or procedures.

Yes, there are a few bad cops out there -- and there are a few departments where they are tolerated or even encouraged. Not the majority, not even a large number, but even one is too many.
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CPT Jack Durish
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Police brutality: Abuse of power. I see a helluva lot more of that in the halls of government than in law enforcement. Why don't we start there and maybe the incidents of police brutality might diminish organically
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PO3 William Carrien
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Civilians don't want to hear statistics or facts. There are bad people in every job, sex, religion, color. Those are the ones you hear about, the good people you don't hear about. I don't know the ratio between them, but I'm damn sure it's high for the good. And it's the good people that get hurt by the unchecked violence that happens afterwards.
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This I can tell you: out of 10-30 billion contacts, known and unknown, between police and the public every year, and increasing, you literally see or read about one or two of these "events" every week or two. Across the entire nation. How pervasive, indeed.
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CPT Jack Durish
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"...300-500 BILLION..." (all caps no less) seems like hyperbole to me. A "BILLION" is a really big number whether it's spelled out in all caps or not. There's about 1 million law enforcement officers on active duty in the US. In round numbers, each of them would have almost 1,000 "contacts" with citizens every day if you assume the lower number of "300 BILLION". How would they have time to draw their weapons and go onto the next "victim" if all they did were shoot civilians every day?
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Of all people to catch me in an egregious error, albeit innocently unintended. The numbers are obviously less, more like 10-30 billion when station and HQ staff, sworn and unsworn, is taken into consideration. Don't know where my head was when I wrote this. I've responded to at least two other posts with this info. The point made is still that the number of aggravated contacts between police and the public is infitessimally small. The Media makes it appear to be an everyday plague.
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SCPO Jason McLaughlin
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"7X more likely to be murdered, 15X more likely to be killed in an auto accident, and 42X more likely to be raped than to experience excessive police brutality."

How much police brutality must you experience before it is considered excessive?
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SSG Byron Hewett
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I work as a correctional officer at a prison and as for the many years that I have been in this profession I have had 3 uses of force 2 reactive uses and have been in about 6 or 7 planned uses of force all due to the actions of the offender, this has happened over 10year period and in that time I have NEVER seen anyone cross over that line of excessive force against an offender even when a staff member has been injured by the offender.
My Facility has a good history of treating the offenders with respect and compassion and when we are lefty with no choice due to the offenders actions we have security cameras always watching and we document everything especially during and incident, and we hold no grudges against the offenders when thing happen because everybody at some point in their life feels like they are backed into a corner with no way out. we just do our paperwork and document and do our checks to make sure everyone is safe.
its a rare thing when an law enforcement agency has to start paper work and investigate a excessive force incident on one of their own because any sworn officer can have a real bad day. thank GOD its a rare deal when it does happen.
to those of us who work in law enforcement even on the military side always, always be vigilant because when no body is watching somebody some body is always looking and vice versa.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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CPL LaForest Gray -
And It's ANOTHER Excellent Reply,
THANKS ~ CORPORAL GREY~~!
I Too Trust The Military More Than Civilian Law Enforcement.
I Feel As Though It Had A Lot To Do With HONOR..
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