Posted on Jul 20, 2016
LA Times calls for Military Coup against a President Trump. Free speech or Treasonous speech?
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You would have a lot more credibility if you posted a link. Because frankly, I find it hard to believe, and reading the comments, I think I'm right.
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"He's Not President Yet, Just a Populist Candidate Spouting Xenophobic Garbage." - PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
His dog whistle must be calling the support of the Xenophobe Marcus Luttrell am I right?
His dog whistle must be calling the support of the Xenophobe Marcus Luttrell am I right?
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I don't think it meets the Constitutional definition of Treason (would be closer to Sedition):
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
However that does not make it acceptable either.
The issue however is that the Constitution does not have a "mechanism" for Military Coups, but it does have a "mechanism" for Impeachment. That's the PROPER way to remove officials we don't like/want/need/etc.
Using "force of arms" AS AN ORGANIZATION goes against our Oath to Defend and Support the Constitution. The President is the Commander in Chief. Period. However, there are mechanisms to avoid conflicts between him and the Constitution itself.
As for the People, they have every Right to Protest verbally and call for the removal of ANY Public Official. We're Citizens, not Subjects. Virtue of being elected only offers someone the Protections of the Constitution's Framework just like everyone else.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
However that does not make it acceptable either.
The issue however is that the Constitution does not have a "mechanism" for Military Coups, but it does have a "mechanism" for Impeachment. That's the PROPER way to remove officials we don't like/want/need/etc.
Using "force of arms" AS AN ORGANIZATION goes against our Oath to Defend and Support the Constitution. The President is the Commander in Chief. Period. However, there are mechanisms to avoid conflicts between him and the Constitution itself.
As for the People, they have every Right to Protest verbally and call for the removal of ANY Public Official. We're Citizens, not Subjects. Virtue of being elected only offers someone the Protections of the Constitution's Framework just like everyone else.
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LTC Paul Labrador
The ONLY time I could see a military coup taking place is if the POTUS (or any other political entity in Washington) were to essentially tear up the Constitution (not just be "in conflict" with it) and declare himself (themselves) rulers for life.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
LTC Paul Labrador - Concur. I think a few "illegal orders" might get him placed under "Protective Custody" pending review by Congress though...
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He's Not President Yet, Just a Populist Candidate Spouting Xenophobic Garbage.
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First, this isn't a call for a military coup: "Americans viewing the recent failed coup attempt in Turkey as some exotic foreign news story — the latest, violent yet hardly unusual political development to occur in a region constantly beset by turmoil — should pause to consider that the prospect of similar instability would not be unfathomable in this country if Donald Trump were to win the presidency."
The article then goes on to argue that one might be necessary if and when Trump began issuing illegal orders and attempted to force the military to carry out those illegal orders.
So the second point is that this is speculative, no one really knows what Trump woudl do as President... however if any President began issuing what were clearly illegal orders and trying to force the military to carry those orders out, it's not inconceivable that those in the military might remove the President from power.
I'm also reminded of this article: http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09/15/gop-propaganda-succeeds-43-republicans-support-military-coup-america.html
The article then goes on to argue that one might be necessary if and when Trump began issuing illegal orders and attempted to force the military to carry out those illegal orders.
So the second point is that this is speculative, no one really knows what Trump woudl do as President... however if any President began issuing what were clearly illegal orders and trying to force the military to carry those orders out, it's not inconceivable that those in the military might remove the President from power.
I'm also reminded of this article: http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09/15/gop-propaganda-succeeds-43-republicans-support-military-coup-america.html
GOP Propaganda Succeeds As 43% of Republicans Support a Military Coup Against America
Six years of anti-Obama hysteria has led to a plurality of Republicans supporting the military takeover of America
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MSG Pat Colby - We target military targets and accept that sometimes the innocent are also killed and maimed, we do not intentionally target the innocent.
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Maj John Bell
The Laws of War allow us to engage valid military targets. Families are not inherently valid or invalid targets. But their status as a target is based on their actions, not their associates or family members. Engage in War Crimes, and any nation can request extradition or seize you and bring you to justice.
"Terrorists are not our teachers", when it comes to target selection. (apologies to Omar Muhktar).
"Terrorists are not our teachers", when it comes to target selection. (apologies to Omar Muhktar).
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MSG Pat Colby - Both of those cities were also military targets. Had those cities been entirely civilian, then bombing them woudl have been a war crime. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/mp06.asp
Avalon Project - The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
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