Posted on Oct 21, 2014
"Muslims Demand Army Change Its Dress Code To Include Turbans And Beards"
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What do you think about this? I will post my opinion after we rack up a few from some other members.
Posted 11 y ago
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Oh wow... come on everyone seriously? Americannews.com is a satirical news site. Its satire. That is false information. Its just like duffel blog.... google it up americannews.com and you will see that its satire (not real).
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I think that they can wear their turban.... as long as it is small enough to wear under the patrol cap. Those of Jewish faith can wear their Yamakirk (I am sure this is spelled wrong!). They can also wear neatly trimmed beards, as long as ALL MALES may wear beards that meet the standards (what ever that may be).
If they demand a change to AR 670-1 or DA PAM 670-1 that is specific to them alone, they can go join ISIS or any of the other country's military that the turban is a standard wear item. Good for 1, good for all.....or nothing.
If they demand a change to AR 670-1 or DA PAM 670-1 that is specific to them alone, they can go join ISIS or any of the other country's military that the turban is a standard wear item. Good for 1, good for all.....or nothing.
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Maj Chris Nelson
See! I knew I would get it wrong! I just didn't have time to actually look it up at that time! Thank you.
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PV2 Violet Case
I would probably agree here as long as it was as it was when I joined. We could keep our long hair as long as we could pin it up off collar and no bobby pins were seen and we could still wear our military uniform without interferences. But no favoritism was made.
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Oh boy, here is a good question. IF we continuously adapt our Army to every single squabble anyone has are we really going to have a fully functional fighting force? Or should we let the Army be the Army (did I bring up ALL Volunteer) and let the people decide when they come in whether or not they are willing to SACRAFICE various things in their life to meet the ARMY standard, if they don't want to give those things up then they DONT HAVE TO JOIN! I'm all for freedom to worship whomever or whatever you want, I'm all for loving whomever you want regardless of gender, or even what gender you want to be, but the Army is a unique organization, it requires some organization, discipline, and uniformity. Either adapt to it or get out. If you are already in, serve your time, get your honorable discharge and enjoy the freedoms you fought to protect.
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SSG (Join to see)
That is usually a surprise that recruiters are not suppose to talk about, that way when that day comes its like "GOTCHA!" lol.
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I am going to start my own religion. We have to wear hot pink uniforms with polka dot high heels. Oh and we have to have Mohawk hair. Sounds good to me. ;) Can't cater to everyone's religion.
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SGT Michael Glenn
Awwww cmon Sgt Flickinger !!! really !!!! I just had mine done and now you want to go and nay say it !!!!!!! dang it !!!!!!!
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First, I'd like to know exactly where and how Muslims are making this demand... I know the article said CAIR welcomed the decision, however I don't see where they even asked for change, much less demanded it.
Second, the soldier in the picture is a Sikh... not a Muslim. If you don't know the difference, you probably shouldn't be writing any articles about religion.
There are a lot of people out there who believe we should hate all Muslims, and not just the extremists. Articles like this prove they have no clue what thier talking about.
Second, the soldier in the picture is a Sikh... not a Muslim. If you don't know the difference, you probably shouldn't be writing any articles about religion.
There are a lot of people out there who believe we should hate all Muslims, and not just the extremists. Articles like this prove they have no clue what thier talking about.
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CPT Steven Harder
They asked for the exceptions and it was granted . . . Nice catch on the Sikh angle.
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PV2 Violet Case
CPT Steven Harder with all due respect I clicked from my inbox mail to a subject that Muslims wanted to wear turbans and beards. Sir I loved my long hair when I joined the Army, it was a glory to me in my religious beliefs. I never thought I would ever cut it off, thought to myself not a big deal to keep it pinned up off my collar and bobby pins not showing. Some times things are not as easy as it seems. Then as my further training went on the getting up and pinning it got harder to do and if in ever combat how would I do that??? Well out came the sissors and I cut my waist long hair because to wear my uniform and honor my signature and country was important too. My hair could grow back later. God brought it to my attention to cover my head when I prayed now that my hair had been cut. But I followed the military code and did not cry to keep my hair so why should they be allowed to do so with their beards? I am not saying they should do anything that I was not willing to sacrifice in the honor of my country. Why should they be granted this a woman does not whine to keep her hair as a glory but a muslim man can whine to keep his beard and be granted, I do not understand.
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Ok i am a Muslim and now i dont think it is necessary per say but i think it is a huge leap for the army to accept Muslims.
i have a retired friend that was telling me that muslims that joined around 2002-2005 were treated like shit by soldiers and NCO's and there are muslims that dont agree with taliban, al queada and ISIS and want to help America get rid of the threats in those Muslims families county .... and i know a soldier that was in iraq doing patrol and walked by his house just to see his family get slaughtered because he join the USMC ..... Personally i dont think because of one or 2 religions we need to go out of our way unless it is Unlawful
i have a retired friend that was telling me that muslims that joined around 2002-2005 were treated like shit by soldiers and NCO's and there are muslims that dont agree with taliban, al queada and ISIS and want to help America get rid of the threats in those Muslims families county .... and i know a soldier that was in iraq doing patrol and walked by his house just to see his family get slaughtered because he join the USMC ..... Personally i dont think because of one or 2 religions we need to go out of our way unless it is Unlawful
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SGM Robin Johnson
PFC Elidrissi, thank you for joining in spite of hearing about possible discrimination. Even if you don't personally want any religious accommodation, you will be leading other Soldiers one day if you stay in, so you have to educate yourself about the Army's regulations, policies, and procedures on this issue. You should already have had classes from your Equal Opportunity Leader or Advisor and/or Chaplain about religious accommodation. When you have these classes, listen not only for your own benefit, but so you will know answers when you become the leader. In any case, this post is so misleading as to be false. No religious group 'demanded' anything. No regulations were changed. The DOD published a clarification of expectations about religious accommodations in January 2014. The Army already met those standard. The Soldiers pictured are not Muslim, they are Sikh and have been serving for several years without any issues, including wearing protective gear. The regulations, policies, and procedures regarding uniforms and religious accommodations have been basically unchanged for years. You can check this out on Snopes. http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/armyturban.asp
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SGT Michael Glenn
You gonna tuck him in bed too Johnson, he is a grown up making gown up decisions and I think he doesnt need the likes of you telling him what to do, I think he may even have a chain of command, or do you think that only your views matter and no one else can train soldiers???? your really a pain in the ass here to be honest, you have bashed everyone who does not conform to your way of thinking and still keep going with trying to mold people after you, give it up and get a life already, I dread to think what the old folks home is gonna be like when your family kicks you out and you have to go there....
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SGT Michael Glenn
Damn cpt steven harder, did I make you jealous on that comment??? did you want to tuck him in instead??? are your inner tendencies coming out ??? dont ask dont tell policy is still in effect you know.
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You do not join the military to be an individual. You join to be part of a TIME HONORED TRADITION. A tradition that dates back to the creation of the country we took an oath to defend. You did not join to instill your traditions into the system. To change the system to accomadate you. These traditions have a long history, a history fueled by individuals who left there traditions at the door and adapted to those of the military. We all came from other parts of the world whether our selves or our ancestors. But we chose to adopt our new found culture. As a country we have lost our way. In large part due to losing our fundemental principles this country was built on. You have the right to practice what relegion you deem fit. That is your choice. You chose to honor the traditions of the military branch you signed up for. Again your choice. You were very well informed on the culture of the military beforehand and if not shame on you. Should have done your research. Our military needs to be a united front because if we look divided then we are divided and no longer a super power. When a person stands out they become a target, easier to conquer and to exploit there weakness. In short stop trying to change the military to the individual and make the indidual adapt to the team. A team will always be stronger than the individual. Those of us who signed on that dotted line bleed red, white and blue. During duty hours we salute the same leaders. In private we can kneel and bow to whatever god we chose.
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PO2 Brad Fletcher
So sad that discussion of an issue has deteriorated into a pissing contest; mostly from a poser by the name of Mike Glenn.
I find it hard to believe someone with such a hateful attitude was really a veteran of any branch of the military. Sergeant my ass – maybe a private discharged with emotional problems?
I have seen posers on other sites & his attitude fits the profile.
Or perhaps he is genuine, but just "off his meds"? Naaaaa - he’s just a phony.
I find it hard to believe someone with such a hateful attitude was really a veteran of any branch of the military. Sergeant my ass – maybe a private discharged with emotional problems?
I have seen posers on other sites & his attitude fits the profile.
Or perhaps he is genuine, but just "off his meds"? Naaaaa - he’s just a phony.
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SSG Dan Wuollet
With all do respect sir this nation and the military you serve in was and is very quickly being overpowerd by a bunch of whiners .Stick to our guns as american we have a dress code .
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Are you kidding me tell me this is NOT a real topic of discussion??? I am blown away if it is true. Can't this nation of ours see what is happening to America in regards to muslims and their attempt to take over the world one nation at a time? COME PEOPLE ARMY CHIEFS ETC ETC WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is war itself!!!! There is a reason we were no beard there is a reason for the regulations we have in place!!! STOP THIS HORSE SHIT!!!
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PV2 Violet Case
Good for you SFC Edward Chandler. More people need to stand up and say this is our country and too many of our family and friends throughout our lives have given up their lives to make this the United States of America. It any country wishes to be free and live here fine but do it under our laws. We will not change our country to your laws. Look what those laws did for you in your country it made you want to leave or have to leave your own countries. Our laws stand firmly in place by those who have made it what it is today. Bless all the lives lost to make this the United States of America. But if you want to keep the laws of your own country no matter what country it is and were happy with that then go back there to live don't try to come here and change ours.
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I defend their right to their opinion but I don't think we should alter our standards to comply with their religion. At present there is no draft so no one need serve who isn't willing to comply with the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
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lets not forget the real reason for the conformity of the people. It's for survivability. A gas mask wont seal over a turbine and beard. The uniform and appearance are part of the ability to survive in a war time environment. The hear is short so it can be clean and hygienic, kinda hard to wash in a desert, or middle of a jungle. I dont want to go into all the details but that's the general jist. so the argument will come up what about peace time? the answer is : we don't train for peace.
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