Posted on Oct 21, 2014
"Muslims Demand Army Change Its Dress Code To Include Turbans And Beards"
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What do you think about this? I will post my opinion after we rack up a few from some other members.
Posted 11 y ago
Responses: 276
When I was talking with my recruiter it was made clear to me that I would have to conform to the Army, not the other way around. It was a completely unnecessary conversation that we none the less were required to have. I knew going in that I would have to change to match what the Army needed.
I could possibly see making some concessions of this sort if the draft were used again. But if you are volunteering then you damn well do what is asked of you!
I could possibly see making some concessions of this sort if the draft were used again. But if you are volunteering then you damn well do what is asked of you!
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SSG Maurice P.
EXACTLY... BACK IN THE DAY YOU DIDNT QUESTION AN ORDER YOU OBEYED IT OR SUFFERED THE CONSEQUENCES...........................IN THE MARINES WE CALLED IT OFFICE HOURS (ARTICLE15)BUT IN THE 70'S IT WAS CALLED GETTING YOUR POSITION READJUSTED..............AN ASS WHUPPIN FROM THE COMPANY GUNNY OR THE PLATOON SGT WHO WAS A BADASSED STAFF NCO...PROBABLY FORMER DRILL INSTRUCTORS I WENT OUTSIDE 2 TIMES WITH MINE AND IT WASNT VERY NICE...MY LIL 126 POUND ASS GOT HANDED TO ME..................AND ME AT THE TIME I THOUGHT I WAS A REAL BILLY BADASS I WAS A 2 TIME GOLDEN GLOVE CHAMPION OUT OF MICHIGAN.AND 1 TIME GOLDEN GLOVE CHAMPION OUT OF OMAHA NEBRASKA.THE MARINE CORPS TOLD ME FUCK THAT YOUR GOING TO CONFORM AND CONFORM I DID ROFLMAO
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SGM Robin Johnson
You are replying to a post that is so misleading as to be false. No religious group 'demanded' anything. No regulations were changed. The DOD published a clarification of expectations about religious accommodations in January 2014. The Army already met those standard. The Soldiers pictured are not Muslim, they are Sikh and have been serving for several years without any issues, including wearing protective gear. The fact that you didn't know the regulations, policies, and procedures regarding uniforms and religious accommodations well enough to notice this, even though they have been basically unchanged for years, is troubling. Even the most junior Soldier could have checked this out on Snopes. http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/armyturban.asp
Did Muslims demand the U.S. Army change its dress code to allow turbans and beards?
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SGT Steve Oakes
Yes SGM, I understand that the article sited was fake. I was commenting more on the attitudes that I in my last few years of service. Many new Privates that came into the unit thought that we should change this or that to accommodate them in some way.
As for the Soldiers pictured. I do not care if they are Sikh, Muslim, Aliens from another planet, or what ever else. IMHO the uniform is THE UNIFORM. If you cannot conform to it you should not join a UNIFORMED SERVICE. There are other ways that patriotic and religiously devoted people can serve their country that do not require conforming to a uniform standard.
As for the Soldiers pictured. I do not care if they are Sikh, Muslim, Aliens from another planet, or what ever else. IMHO the uniform is THE UNIFORM. If you cannot conform to it you should not join a UNIFORMED SERVICE. There are other ways that patriotic and religiously devoted people can serve their country that do not require conforming to a uniform standard.
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The Army is not a club, there is no vote. You do what you're told, when you're told and how you're told. This includes no beards or turbans. We aren't the talaban. If they want to join, then get with the rules and accept. If they don't then they can go to the middle east where beards and that kind of stuff goes.
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SGT Michael Glenn
Well if Im not worth your time old man, you sure are getting your panties all wadded up. I am VERY opinionated and it will take more than the likes of you to ever change that.I had many Officers like you,all arrogant and couldnt get the respect from peers nor lower anything. You call me a blow hard, threaten me on here and expect people to believe that you are any better than me???? look in the mirror fool.Its jackass's like you that always gave the Military a bad name, me I made it a habit of exploiting these jackass's and ended several of their careers, too bad you and I never crossed paths, you still use the P in your title which shows you still hold on to that little letter like your proud of it, it actually means you werent good enough and all you could muster was just a P... your sad old man,let it go, you will be happier.
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SGT Michael Glenn
I have??? your the one still hanging onto a P that will never b, bet it gives you the opportunity to tell your family all kinds of crap because you just cant tell em that you werent good enough to make Major ... you have to look in the mirror every morning pin head, not me..... bye bye!
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SGT Michael Glenn
CPT (P) THOMAS TANEL ....See told you so....LMFAO...predictable to the end pinhead... down vote just because you got butt hurt about the truth....I am truly done with all of you morons and will not waste my time further making you look bad,go about your business on here and be at peace with the world.... you are dismissed!!!
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Not only NO but Hell No. No one has a right to demand the military change anything for them. When I joined the Navy the old Crackerjacks had been changed. Think they would have listened to me if u had demanded I get to wear those? NOT
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SSG James Lopez
Mark, you and I are old school. We believe in maintaining traditions. The way I looked at this, say for instance if we go to their country and join there military and make the change in their uniforms, would they like that....the answer would be, " Are you crazy," so what is the big difference.
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Man I retired to early I could have kept the beard. Folks this is absolutely ridiculous we have one purpose in the military and that is to defend this great nation!!! We are not a social experiment we are not somebody's political campaign rhetoric. We have a mission we have a focus. If you don't share that mission and focus start your on group of merry men and have at it.. We have got to stop bowing to the minority and disrupting the majority. If you don't like the dag blame rules join a different club.
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we need to stay united in dress code. I do not mean harm to anyone but I could not help but to think why do they want to be recognized seperate from our men is so they wont get shot by others who are out there in turbans and beards? To see a man or woman in a military uniform dressed in code with all the rest makes me smile at that man because I no his nationality is not that of mine but yet he is willing to show to the country who he has chosen to side with and that takes some courage and guts. I respect a man/woman who will put away that turban and beard and say I am a United States soldier now and have agreed to join and dress by their code of honor. For those who do this and dress in code of honor for the United States without complaint and do it proudly I commend you for this action and may you stay safe in Battle thank you for your service. Back in the day it was tough to get used to pants that reached almost to my knees and the cuts of things being a woman but I did it and it didn't kill me. Either be an American soldier and dress like the rest or don't be one. Stay uniformed a house that is divided will not stand and I believe that with our military too.
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My take on this is pretty simple, I think. When you join the Armed Forces, regardless of branch, there are certain freedoms you willingly give up. Your freedom of speech is limited; you cannot publicly bash the POTUS, for example, as he is your Commander in Chief. You also swear/affirm to follow the orders of the officers appointed over you in accordance with (insert your branch here) regulations and the UCMJ. Those regulations state very clearly the wear and appearance of the uniform and personal grooming standards. Ladies and gentlemen, we put on the uniforms to defend the freedoms of others, while sacrificing some of our own. That's while it's called "service". One day, when we finally hang up the uniforms, we will then be able to fully enjoy those rights and freedoms and perhaps appreciate them more deeply, knowing full well the cost and sacrifice required to keep them. Bottom line, if you wish to serve something greater than yourself, that sometimes means putting your personal desires on hold for a time.
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PV2 Violet Case
This SPC Sam D. is well stated. It was hard at first hanging up my high heeled shoes and giving up my female attire to my drill Sargent when I went in the military because I thought at least on the weekends I would get to wear them and be a girl. But nope they locked them away from us. When I got out of basic my arms no longer fit in those beautiful silk and lace clothes. But you no my heart was proud to go home in my dress greens taken in this picture on my profile so many years ago. That meant more to me to where the uniform my country gave to me to wear and I earned. Any person should be proud of that not whine about making changes to something that should be an honor such as the rights to wear that uniform the same as other military people no matter what branch as you said they all marched in step and looked in uniform and honor to carry forever. Well said SPC Sam and thank you for your service.
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I totally disagree with allowing anyone to wear a beard (unless medical) or turban unless in zones that require them. I have gone through a lot of these responses. Are you planning on wearing your beard and turban in a chemical threat environment or combat zone. Have gas masks changed that much to where you no longer need a good seal around your face.
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Capt Keenan Lee
When the military bows to demands from a particular group due to religious means, the military becomes non-functional. This isn't a democracy. It's the U.S. military. Turbans and beards don't belong in the ranks. Islamic culture wrangles its way into systems and then it overcomes it. Any demands coming from any Islamic culture should be dismissed. It is insidious, demeaning, and dangerous to peace and order not to mention the safety of any other culture or religion. I'd be wary of any general authority that belongs to Islam or that concedes to it. They are not to be trusted.
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SSG David Kaelin
When was the last time that chem weapons were used against Americans?
They do have protective masks that will fit around beards and the like.
Women have long hair and are still able to get a seal.
Also, the problem is not Islam per se. It is Wahhabism that is the problem. They are the Baptists of the Islamic World.
Insanely enough, the Wahhabists are the Saudis who are our "allies."
Be wary of any general authority that belongs to Islam. We, America, empowered the very enemy whom we now fight across the globe. Were it not for FDRs treaties with the House of Saud and our "Dollar Diplomacy" arrangement with them, Islam would not have the extremist problem that it now has.
America created the Islamic Frankenstein by empower the Wahhabist House of Saud. We exacerbate the problem by continuing to treat them as an ally instead of the enemy which they are.
They do have protective masks that will fit around beards and the like.
Women have long hair and are still able to get a seal.
Also, the problem is not Islam per se. It is Wahhabism that is the problem. They are the Baptists of the Islamic World.
Insanely enough, the Wahhabists are the Saudis who are our "allies."
Be wary of any general authority that belongs to Islam. We, America, empowered the very enemy whom we now fight across the globe. Were it not for FDRs treaties with the House of Saud and our "Dollar Diplomacy" arrangement with them, Islam would not have the extremist problem that it now has.
America created the Islamic Frankenstein by empower the Wahhabist House of Saud. We exacerbate the problem by continuing to treat them as an ally instead of the enemy which they are.
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PV2 Violet Case
SSG David Kaelin with all due respect when we were in the military we had to follow a dress code even being women with long hair. No bobby pins could show either and our hair had to be up neatly off our collars. But it was the code and we had to follow it if we wanted to have long hair. IF you notice many women cut their hair so they don't have to get up and do all that every morning. I loved my long hair but I loved my country more and there fore to keep in code I one morning cut my hair straight off above my collar never again to fuss with bobby pins or fear of having it out of order. Our faces were always clear of a seal with our protective masks. Even with tender skin I remember wearing mine for a 3 day alert and it had a good seal without any problems. My religious preference is long hair 1 Corinthians 11 tells women that their long hair is a glory to them for it is a covering when they pray. But yet it was tough getting up so early to follow the way the Army dress code was for our hair that I tearfully cut my hair off and after my uniform was done and I was back home I allowed my hair to grow back. Sometimes when you sign that dotted line you should be ready and willing to give your life if need be to the country you are there to honor. How do you think I felt when I became contaminated so bad from FT. McClellan and cut my hair off and did all I did to sacrifice to be toxified sick and dying but I still love my country and if they came to me even today and said would you cut your hair would you stand proudly with us again I would do it in a heart beat even tho I no the misuse and mishandling of those toxins are what is killing me. But that is where my heart is it is in and for the United States of America as it should be for anyone that puts on a United States Uniform. I love all but it just can not be divided this is our country the U.S. and needs to remain running as the U.S. no if ands or buts.
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Really, I have served for over 16 years, multiple deployments, and can't remember demanding anything. Is there anything news worthy to discuses intelligently on here or just demonstrating our ignorance and ........?
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I can't be the only guy that thinks, regardless of religion, it'd be great if the military allowed beards...
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