Posted on Aug 9, 2016
My buddy recently Commisioned, and said he expected a lot more out of OCS. Is it a case of An NCO stuck in an NCO mindset?
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This may sound like a shallow question, but I fail to see how OCS could fail anyone's expectations. I have never been in that environment specifically, but I would imagine only the best get to lead the ones that lead others into fire. He didn't get specific out of respect for the "O" core, but I really wonder what he saw that disappointed him so much.
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It's hard to say, SSG (Join to see), as I really don't know what your friend expected. Times have changed, and I'm sure that OCS has changed along with the times. When I was commissioned from OCS in JUN73, the experience had been brutal. However, that doesn't necessarily mean it was better. Tactical officers were like drill sergeants on steroids, and believe me, if a Tac decided you didn't deserve to be in OCS, he could almost assure your departure, one way or another. However, I still believe that the U.S. Army produces the best army officers in the world, so we still must be doing something right.
When I entered OCS, I was a sergeant and already airborne and Special Forces qualified, so many of the blocks of instruction were nothing more than refresher training (map reading, land navigation, weapons training, patrolling, etc.). However, there were other components of the curriculum that were invaluable, like D&C from squad to company level, presentation skills, and other things I can't even remember. I may never have learned those skills outside the OCS environment. Overall, I felt much better prepared to be an officer after OCS than I did before. I wanted to become an officer, so I "got with the program" and learned as much as I could. As with most things, you get out of it what you put in to it. Much of what I learned has been applicable in my civilian life and work, and for me, it was a life changer.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least that if you query your friend some years from now, he might have a completely different response.
CPT Jack Durish Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS CPT (Join to see) CPT (Join to see) CPT (Join to see) 1LT (Join to see) MAJ Laurie H. MAJ (Join to see) 1LT (Join to see) LTC (Join to see) 1LT (Join to see) CPT Peter Nabel
When I entered OCS, I was a sergeant and already airborne and Special Forces qualified, so many of the blocks of instruction were nothing more than refresher training (map reading, land navigation, weapons training, patrolling, etc.). However, there were other components of the curriculum that were invaluable, like D&C from squad to company level, presentation skills, and other things I can't even remember. I may never have learned those skills outside the OCS environment. Overall, I felt much better prepared to be an officer after OCS than I did before. I wanted to become an officer, so I "got with the program" and learned as much as I could. As with most things, you get out of it what you put in to it. Much of what I learned has been applicable in my civilian life and work, and for me, it was a life changer.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least that if you query your friend some years from now, he might have a completely different response.
CPT Jack Durish Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS CPT (Join to see) CPT (Join to see) CPT (Join to see) 1LT (Join to see) MAJ Laurie H. MAJ (Join to see) 1LT (Join to see) LTC (Join to see) 1LT (Join to see) CPT Peter Nabel
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I was an enlisted Marine for nearly 11 years before going to Army OCS bro. It seemed to me to be much like MAJ Ballinger noted already, and looking back on it I think of it as a 12 week examination, to which they only send people who are considered very likely to have what it takes to pass.
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CPT Jack Durish
CPT (Join to see) - Actually, I had spent the prior six months in Basic Combat Training and Advanced Infantry Training. I was then an 11B E2 when sent to OCS. Got the but to E5 as a candidate. Infantry OCS in my day was a physical, mental, and emotion trial during which more than half of the candidates quit. We spit shined everything from helmets to floors. I had already studied U.S. Infantry weapons in BCT and AIT, at Infantry OCS we also studied the weapons and tactics of our enemies. Inasmuch as the VC were using weapons from WWI, WWII, and modern weapons supplied by the Soviets and Chinese, we had a lot to study. Of course, a lot of our tactics centered around jungle warfare (and I ended up in the Delta where there was little jungle). I couldn't imagine all of this being crammed into 12 weeks, so I guess that OCS isn't the same thing these days.
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CPT Jack Durish
LTC Stephen C. - Couldn't say. I think I enlisted in a different U.S. Army, and now I live in Marine country. Every holiday, all the homes in my neighborhood display Marine Corps flags so, of course, I had to buy an Army flag to fly from my home. That led to a lot of good-natured kibbitzing.
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CPT Jack Durish - No, it's not. A lot of what you mentioned is now taught in Infantry BOLC, the way other OCS graduates learn their MOS specific skills in their respective BOLCs. Makes sense now, thank you.
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LTC Stephen C.
I'm with you, CPT Jack Durish. My Army is gone, and I don't really know what's left. As it was then, today's Army has good and bad aspects to it, and you deal with the Army of your time. I, for one, though, am glad that I retired when I did.
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SSG (Join to see) , like LTC Stephen C. mentioned below, its difficult to have a reference of your friends mind set and exactly what he was expecting the training to be like. It has been little over 14 years since I went through USAF OTS as a prior service NCO so I can't speak to the current training. However, I recall times during the 12 week training where I was thinking "WTH did I get myself into" but there were also times when I thought "wow, this is too easy". Bottom line is that they could have a separate OTS class for prior service trainees but then they would likely have to double the length of training for the non-priors... The mix the classes so that as a prior you can pass on some of your core service experience and knowledge...you teach the basics like how to wear a uniform and proper customs and courtesies so the Cadre can focus on teaching leadership and doctrine.
If your friend thought that when he graduated from OCS that he would know all there is to know about Leadership then he was mistaken. In my opinion, in our military, about 2% of the Officer corps are "natural born leaders", the rest of us have to make a distinct effort to be a student of leadership and to continually grow and develop our leadership abilities because there is no magic wand that an instructor can wave that will give you the right answer in every leadership situation. It takes dedicated effort everyday and it takes making some mistakes and then learning from them so you don't make the same mistake again.
If your friend thought that when he graduated from OCS that he would know all there is to know about Leadership then he was mistaken. In my opinion, in our military, about 2% of the Officer corps are "natural born leaders", the rest of us have to make a distinct effort to be a student of leadership and to continually grow and develop our leadership abilities because there is no magic wand that an instructor can wave that will give you the right answer in every leadership situation. It takes dedicated effort everyday and it takes making some mistakes and then learning from them so you don't make the same mistake again.
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