Posted on Sep 24, 2020
SSG Dennis Mendoza
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So my question is can they order me open up my kid's room if my son and daughter are in their rooms, or if my dogs are in one of the rooms behind a closed door because of not being friendly to strangers can they order me to open. I apologize for such a naive question, I just have never experienced this before. Is there anything I can reference about off post house inspection by the chain of command.
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LCpl Sidney Green
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Just keep in mind that an inspection is not a search. They're not interested in your personal stuff, only that you have a safe and functional environment to live in e.g. plumbing, electricity, running water, functional safety features, etc.

If you have a room you'd prefer to keep locked for reason XYZ just tell them that (keep in mind they can still ask why) just tell them personal items. As long as the rest of the house is within code, one room shouldn't been an issue.

Remember, you're a commodity, and one that the service has invested considerable finances and resources to. They're just insuring the environmental safety and health of one of their investments.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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It isd much simpler to refuse them entry at the door, and if asked why refer them to the Constitution that you have swore to defend, the 4th Amendment in particular. Unless they have probable cause and a warrant nothing inside you home is any of their business
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MSgt Allen Chandler
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In my opinion this is a perfect example of a lack of communications no commander will take it upon himself to try and walk in and force his way into someone’s house off base without proper authority whatever they’re talking about either they’re trying to do something voluntarily to help the troops are they’ve got some sort of criminal case and they’ve got some court orders but there certainly a lack of communication because this gentleman obviously doesn’t know what’s going on
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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There are commanders that ignorant
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MSgt Allen Chandler
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr - i’m sure you’re right that certain commanders are not good people. Do you have any information about this question that makes you think that is the answer? My answer and my assumption is that there’s a miscommunication and the person asking the question doesn’t have all the facts. Taking the possibility that you are correct and this commander is just plain crazy or stupid and doing something illegal then of course the person asking the question should call the local police and the base judge advocate general and report him. I’m pretty sure that’s not the case there’s too many checks and balances to let it get this far. So what did you mean by your comment?
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Capt Jeff S.
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What grounds do they have to inspect your private residence -- OFF BASE??!! Did they state any reason?
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Capt Jeff S.
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SSgt Joseph Baptist - It appears you are a product of our socialist education system because you think like one. Our Founding Fathers would probably disagree with you. Since you're paid by the government for your service, does it give the government a right to determine how you spend your money, and on what? Should the government follow you around the store and tell you what you should take out of your shopping cart because it is unhealthy for you? Cigarettes, beer, etc. ??? The rights of the individual supersede the government's right to intrude on your PERSONAL privacy.
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SPC Rich Jackson
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Yeahhhhh SSgt Joseph Baptist - That's not really how it works.

BAH is an ALLOWANCE (ie, pay) to offset the cost incurred by the SM in lieu of being provided on base housing for whatever reason. Even if living in ON-base housing, your COC has no more right to enter your residence than they do to search your vehicle. Housing maint personnel can ask to enter to check the structure and facilities, but if you tell them they can't enter, they STILL can not enter without permission except under very specific, limited circumstances.
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SPC Rich Jackson
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SSgt Joseph Baptist -
Allowances are the same as expense paybacks in the civilian world. If I incur an expense at my civilian job, my employer pays me back. In this instance of BAH, the military is "paying you back" for the extra expense of not using government provided housing.

Also, I don't remember anyone ever saying that life was "fair, equitable, just or reasonable"... and *PARTICULARLY* not the military.
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SPC Rich Jackson
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SSgt Joseph Baptist - I find it hysterical that you think that ACTUALLY applies to the military. I would have LOVED to see you square off with the 1sg/cdr on something like this.
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PFC Robb Hayes
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Your chain of command is not allow to conduct inspections of any domicile outside of the barracks with out permission. At that point it is an illegal search and IG and jag should be notified.
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SSG Steven Gotz
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Maybe times have changed, but back in the early1980s a sergeant in 2nd Armored Division at Fort Hood, at least in my Battalion, was required to visit the homes of the soldiers under his command every year. Health and Welfare they called it if I recall correctly. I never had a problem doing so, but I generally got along with my troops after they got used to the way I did things. I simply treated them with respect and they never gave me any shit about it.

It might have something to do with the fact that there was a story going around about a guy whose off-post privileges were revoked for refusing. I never did find out if it was a true story though.
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SSG Dennis Mendoza
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Yeah it's all the Army taking a new perspective to event in Fort Hood. The army is really trying to implement the NCO's to do their actual job. There's many that don't so that's why now the Army is pressuring us this way.
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Capt Jeff S.
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It's government gone out of control. They do it because bad precedent has been set and they keep getting away with it.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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SSG Dennis Mendoza - No part of that is doing "their actual jobs" What Reg of UCMJ article authorizes violating the 4th Amendment
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SPC William Weedman
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I’m going to ask a favor as a prior lower enlisted, every NCO that responded here, look in the mirror and read your reply before you proceed with the mandatory barracks inspection? I get it, the barracks room I’m assigned to is military property and as such is subject to be inspected to ensure I am maintaining it just like every other piece of military equipment I am issued. But just because I left that paper soft drink cup from a fast food restaurant on my desk instead of tossing it in the trash can doesn’t constitute a counseling statement on my “unclean” state of my room. Also finding a penny buried in my desk drawer doesn’t constitute “leaving cash in plain view” Fortunately that squad leader was close to his ETS, his replacement was much more understanding as he was also assigned a room in the same building as an unmarried E-5.
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SSG Dennis Mendoza
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I can tell you this times have changed a lot since the 90s, totally different Army from my first time I was active duty which that was from 1998 to 2001.
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SSG Steven Gotz
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It has been over 36 years since I inspected a barracks room, but I don't recall ever giving out a counseling statement. I vaguely remember getting pissed at soldiers who were not doing what they were supposed to be doing, but mainly because if the First Sergeant, or worse, the CSM, were to see that penny or the cup, I would be held responsible.

But I generally had some pretty good people in my squad, so it never seemed to be too big a problem. Personally, I think I would have picked up the cup, or the penny, and disposed of the problem, and addressed it in private later. But my memory may be faulty.
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They can come to your address off post, but you do not need to let them in. The bigger issue here is, if you have such a poor relationship with your CoC or if your living conditions are so bad, that you won't let them in.

I have happily invited in every officer and/or NCO that has wanted to complete a home inspection.
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SSG Dennis Mendoza
SSG Dennis Mendoza
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This is the first unit ever I'm not comfortable with the COC. I can literally show them my online camera and they can see my living conditions, I know it'll give motive to act a certain way towards me.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff - Why though? Look at the reason behind home inspections, then make your decision.

"We were forced to do this by higher."- Alright man, come in, want a drink? I know this crap is annoying.

"A lot of our young Soldiers seem to be struggling, just want to check on the force and make sure they are doing ok or if we need to intervene" -Oh man, come in, i'm doing great here but tell me more about this, lets try and help these guys out

Everyone sits back and bitches and moans about suicide this and SHARP that. But these are the simple things that can actually identify that stuff. I know in my past unit it sure did....
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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SSG (Join to see) - The reason is an unlawful overreach of authority.
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SSG Dennis Mendoza
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Thank you everyone for your info I had a feeling leaning towards the same as what everyone has responded so far literally around 1640 central time, the NCO chat in my platoon was some training stuff and then me times the inspections for everyone.
"28 sep, PSG and PL homes to be inspected by R6 and R7
29 sep, section chiefs homes to be inspected by A6, A7, PSG, PL
1-2 Oct, everyone else that does not live in the barracks inspected by A6, A7, PSG, PL" and then a photo of the slides where they scheduled this event but on the slide they put visit on/off post housing.
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TSgt James Warfield
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I wonder if the person is speaking about off post housing owned by the military, not even sure that is a thing to day as I retired many years ago.
I do remember at some of my stations especially over seas some of the military housing was not located on the base bu off base with no security gate to have to pass through.
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SPC W. Neil Cantor
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The militarys decisions can change as much as the time on a watch. THIS TOO IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTIFICATION
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MSgt Robert E. M.
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Get a lawyer for free and your local news involved if it's off base. On base, there is already a checklist on where and what they are going to inspect.
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Sgt Stephen Chiles
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Not only did I serve in the military but I grew up from birth to enlistment in the military. Granted that I have been out since 1983 but never have I known of any regulation allowing inspection of off base/post quarters. The only exception that I know of is during a joint local police/AFOSI,CID/NCIS/CGIS investigation. Unless you invite them in for possibly a welfare check or to confirm your landlord is violating rules, I see no reason for it to be acceptable. In fact, I would suggest you talk to your JAG and ask about it. After all, "Chain of Command" has been known to break the law in the past.
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SN Russell Helberg
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on post yes, off post--none of thier business, unless even if they are paying you to live off base such as S & Q sometimes they can get a little stupid in my opinion. in 1964 my wife and i lived in an old army nike missel site in the berkly hills of calif. and we were coast guard. they made me repair man for the site, but never once did they pull a stunt like that.
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On a legal side your command can NOT enter any dwelling off post. Their Authority ends at the gate. If you are married or have roommates they can tell your command to go pound sand! You can also tell your command to go pound sand and call the Police. But… they can make your life a living hell. Personally I wouldn’t allow anyone into my house. I would contact JAG and my State representative. I would also talk to the local Law Enforcement Command and alert them to forced entry to Service Members homes which they will have something to say about do to the risk of hostility. When I went back to active duty after retiring from Law Enforcement I did put up with such shenanigans. And you shouldn’t!
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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AMAZING:
Military People Have Rights...
I Served From 06/29/61..(My 17th Birthday) - 06 /10/65; 19 Days Before Hitting 21,
And WE Had Rights Too.
The Right To #1.. "SHUT UP", And
#2..The Right To "GET BACK TO WORK".
Now It Appears To Be:
"The Powder Puff Championships, On The Air"
... WTF's Going On Now?..
This Is Just Plain-Azz "WEIRD"
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CPL General's Driver General's Driver
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Like you, I trusted my organization. When I was active duty I worked as the driver/courier of the DCSINT at NATO HQ, a 2-star general, the Army never asked to inspect my off-post living quarters and I had a TS SCI clearance. When I became a civilian with DIA and only needing a collateral secret security clearance, my supervisor said that all of our office were to allow the Inspector General to go through each room. I acquiesced but expressly stated that I wanted us all to stay together and not wander off. Only my supervisor disobeyed. I should have simply denied entry. There was zero reason for them to enter my private domain and there was no probable cause.
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PO1 Terry Scott
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I was a Sr. Corpsman who had no authority but was expected to keep my eyes open. I'm glad I did. Just like your lieutenant and captain are to make sure your socks are good and feet in good shape its nice to know they care about your kid's socks. Unless you have a boyfriend like Barney Franks or your hydroponically growing herbs enjoy the fact someone gives a crap. Your officers wives are expected to help. Living away from family, your spouse away from mom, you out on orders and your family twisting in the wind, in the close family of military we give a shit. Reach out and have a pot luck Bar-B-Q. or small dinner with a few friends and your close officers and spouses or other. I miss the comrradery of my fellow military hurrying up to wait to take it in the shorts. I have horror stories of the spouse away from their support, the active gone on orders and her and the kids suffer because they took to long to ask. Just because you are active they are the members of a close fraternity and despite running into self important losers you will find those that are welcoming and helpful. Just like the rest of society you need to not give up.
You will get out of the military what you put into it.
I let my former wife talk me into getting out after quite a number of years. Amazing how many times I heard this after I was out. There should be a metal for sportive spouses. I know quite a few who deserve it to include a few that were Joint Chiefs of Staff. It's up to you.
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They aren’t allowed to go inside. That is true. The only thing they’re really “inspecting” is making sure that you do in fact live in that house. There’s a couple of reasons for that-unit recalls, maybe a soldier doesn’t show for formation and their leadership has to go to their residence. After the fort hood incident-and all the new requirements for commanders regarding the missing soldier battle drill, finding out that a soldier gave the wrong address after they’re already missing and the Corps commander requires an update is bad bad bad.
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PFC Edgar Mosier
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Remember, we are talking the military...
You have the Rights, even Constitutional Rights, that they afford you. You are, even now, Government Issue, and they can abridge your Rights, using any number of scenarios.
Example(s)?
One is the fact that nobody has ever been brought to Justice for the Gross Medical Neglect of PFC Kenneth Lawrence Mosier (Ft. Hood, TX- March 15, 1979); The Base Commander's deflective answer about the death was that Kenny was under investigation in connection to an alleged auto theft. (His death was thanks to an accusation?)
Or, my Article 15 for disobeying an un-precise "legal" order. (Back story; soldier wife had a medical profile to wear maternity fatigues, due to a miscarriage and a new pregnancy. The Commander of RPAC-Europe, her Company, had ordered over the Easter Pay Day that the Uniforn Of The Day was to be Class A, thus going against a Medical Profile, when his mailroom/paymaster/CQ buck-sargent refused to release her mailed paycheck, and interfered with the USPS. I went, witnessed, and explained that he could answer to Senator Bumpers for his actions, then turned and started to leave. He then ordered "Private Mosier" to "come here!". Not being positive as to his addressing my wife, Pvt Mosier, or me, PFC Mosier, I turned and said that he needed to be more precise, as to the proper Rank. I was punished - He nor the Full Bird Kohler (Sp) ever faced any "Justice".
Your supposed Constitutional Rights are "full", as long as the Powers-That-Be grant them to you. And, yes, you are supposed to be better protected against such, without due process, but to circumvent the Fifth and Fourth Amendments, in these days and times, an "inspection" to verify that each servicemember does reside as they have stated, and to gain further access, I'd claim a "health & welfare check" and do those platoon/company/battalion-wide. Or better, sic the AP, SP, or MP, as need warrants.
Believe me, they know they're likely to have to ask for forgiveness, and face a slap on the wrist...
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PFC James Edward VERNON jr
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GOOD LOOKING OUT FOR OUR SERVICEMEN.
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