National Guard NCOs, how do we fix our APFT numbers? We can not force soldiers to PT outside of IDT status. How can we fix it?

Active duty for 12 years and national guard for almost 3 years. I say the standard is the same. If you do not pass the apft then maybe a small article 15. You loose some of your muta pay. After 3 months of not showing improvement then you loose your contract to the national guard

My Battalion's PT program included a one hour run at a good airborne shuffle pace. After losing several members, we would circle around and pick up the stragglers. We eventually were able to maintain the pace and cover 5-6 miles in the hour. Peer pressure makes a lot of difference.

WE as leaders hold our subordinates accountable. Just as we are held accountable for the success or failure of our section, squad, or team(s)

It's all about leadership enforcing the standards. Some units have leadership that enforce the standards, and make soldiers take a record APFT test. If they can't pass it multiple times, then you proceed to remove them. Other units, don't really care about it, as leadership is only concerned about making sure they have a certain number of personnel, regardless of whether or not they can pass a PT test. I've been in both types of units and it's frustrating to see. Or, to see soldiers only do the bare minimum in each event so as not to over-exert themselves. For instance, pumping out 42 pushups in less than a minute, and then dropping to their knees. Very frustrating as a member of the unit, and especially as a grader.

Leaders set a positive example and enforce standards. That said it's not without risk, because a career make-or-break issue with which NG commanders must deal that doesn't impact their AC counterparts is strength maintenance. Processing non or low performing Soldiers even with all appropriate counseling documentation will still send red flags up the food chain come time for OER/NCOERS if it negatively impacts your assigned strength.

pt is for pogs. once clinton gutted the standing army and used the money to buy votes for the dems, pt standards evaporated. then when the actual wars started, everyone realized most of it is just peacetime b.s. the army uses to eat itself to death when there's no actual war going on. do you know how to ACTUALLY fight another man? with your fists? might get injured, cant have that. and the women wouldnt pass so thats out. so lets just sit around weighing each other and writing on stuff. pure dod idiocy. here's a thought? get out the mats and mouthpieces. make them actually fight. then the rest of the time, teach them their actual MOS. leave the presidential physical fitness crap for the rotc wannabes. teach them krav maga and jj. teach them how to hit moving targets with a three to five. otherwise, just realize that all those ng's and er's are just the giant divisions we used to have on conus but now theyre converted to fort livingroom instead of giant pork projects for home districts. most of war is missiles, aircraft and special forces. big dumb infantry units dont really need as much pt as people think and humans on the regular are way more healthy nowadays than compared to the 1940's even if we're fat. people are starting to wake up to the fact that no one is really obsessing about haircuts and pt scores anymore. and why should they? there's two standards and your woman lt doesnt have to actually lift it, why should you? you get trucked or tracked everywhere now anyway. if youre satcom forces, then sure, train for the olympics. if youre a straight leg grunt? meh.

Nothing says they have to do or between drills, but if they can't pass the APFT or height/weight, the rules to separate them are clear. But you have to have paperwork showing 3 things: Soldier failed the standard; unit did what it could to rehab the Soldier; and the Soldier still failed to get back into regs. But it has to be in writing.

With AD and Guard experience I've witnessed the unfortunate situation in the Guard of soft leaders when it comes to PT. Don't get me wrong, there are some very good ones, but my point is that Soldiers can never be held accountable for PT until leaders are held to the same standard. I don't think you will see progress until an Active Duty detachment (Master Fitness Trainers) comes into every state once a year to conduct an independent APFT from the 2 Star on down.

The Army would not likely put up the funds, but how about a financial assistance program that is similar to tuition assistance? I would propose a reimbursement for expenses used for improving fitness (health clubs, personal trainers, etc). This amount would be proportional to your annual APFT score, and your score would be a qualifier for the funding.
You get 80% reimbursement for a score of (80%) 240-269; 90% for 270-299, and 100% for a perfect 300.

There would be a annual maximum of $1000

When I was in WING, we did PT every Saturday in was part of our training schedule. We were 19D, the best of the best. Scouts out!!!