Navy female Officers videoed on sub while showering.

MCPO Treants, you are correct. I have never seen the showers on a sub. It was only the military regs that stopped gays from serving openly, not from serving at all. That is my point. With the changes today let it all go coed. We had to share small tents sleeping both men and women all along. There was no get up out of the rack and leave so I can change. We just did what circumstances put us into.

Tailhook happened over 20-years ago. Institutional memory is shorter than that.

I remember the massive fallout from Tailhook that shook up the Navy. Most of us were NOT Aviators, yet we paid for it in extra training and lost time from missions. Yes, it changed some attitudes at the time, but I know the Aviation Community, still laughed it off as not really applicable to them. However the Surface Navy did take the lessons to heart at the time. Some of the Aviation Community did as I can verify since they caught me and made me go to an Aviation Command for my Twilight Tour (Brown Shoes, Flight Jacket and all).

When the Fall-Out with the Mandatory, Stand-Down Training I was Master at Arms to COMSPAWARSYSCOM Washington DC an Aide de Camp to Maggie Turner first Female Black Capt in the Computer/Telecommunications Community. Mostly Female Command needless to say the Sitting Beside Capt Turner being lectured too on the evils of Sexual Harassment was kinda odd.

Unfortunately, 1SG (Join to see) there are children in the Navy just like other services. As I have said elsewhere, it takes MEN to step up and make changes really happen. Sometimes an incident like this may be needed to make men really come forward and say that enough is really enough, we are friggin professionals. Lets get the job done.

Yes sadly, it has been happening since then, nothing will change until everyone wearing the rank learns that they have responsibilities, and they have to be accountable, as well as hold others accountable. This includes the unwanted or in some cases the wanted harassment depending on the personnel attitude on it. In all cases it is wrong, and having one accepting, sends out the total wrong message that it is okay. What you do off duty, that is up to you, you are an adult. On duty, be professional.

PV2 Abbott Shaull, thank you for sharing your feedback! I agree that accountability is badly required at all levels to prevent acts similar to these. Also consider this: what some people do off duty will bleed over into the professional requirements of being on duty. Trust me: I know what you mean. Those of us who are responsible don't have that problem. The personnel that are standing on the field grade officer's "carpet" every few weeks or few months are the ones who don't get it. That's why we are reminded that we are Soldiers: 24/7/365 - so that personal responsibility is implied and integrated into the off-duty activities.

Yes, I get that too SSG Leonard J Walker. There is thin line. Yes I have seen those troops who are either in front of the Top or the Commander Desk every few weeks due to their issues. I not going to excuse to these troops entirely, because we both know they have to take responsibility for themselves sometimes. Yet, I have seen firsthand, where Staff Sergeants and Sergeants, serving as Squad Leaders and Team Leaders in the 82nd Airborne Division in a Rifle Company. Who wouldn't take the time, to help counsel their troops, sat there and degraded them in front of anyone who was walking by, because they "Wouldn't suck it up, and carry on!". When you are dealing with people who are 18, 19, and 20 they need aren't always as mature as person who is 22-26, who has time in the military, and in the Division such as the 82nd and else where. So I am sure with the Army deployment slowing down, there even greater proportion of NCOs, who are positions, that haven't had the time in, to have the answers, for effective counselling. From what I have seen on here in other threads, there are plenty of E-5s, E-6s, and company level Officers who have known only relax rule and regulations, and the Army lost a lot of the ole, "You are NCO/Officer, you have problem, fix it!", attitude. Or if they can't solve themselves because of lack of knowledge, they can go ask someone with in their command to ask question, use google or Bing to get answer. Don't use social media to complain or express you how you disagree with it. You are member of the someone Chain of Command. Being such, on Social Media you can't control who actually see it, if Private Joe Smoe sees it, and he in your command. He sees you disagreeing with something, and then you come along to correct him on the same subject. How serious is Private Joe Smoe going to be listen to you? Can you see where and why Private Joe Smoe will be on the "Carpet" again, and this time, not entirely his fault. Some of the responsibility lays in the person in his Chain of Command for posting what they did. They place the insulating doubt in his mind that his Chain of Command didn't believe in it, so he shouldn't either. So like the British SAS have a saying remember when you doing finger poking, "There are three more pointing back at you.", because lot of the time when you have repeated offenders. Sometimes it is not so much the troop, but the conflicting messages that the Chain of Command are giving him/her.

Very true! This also relates to some of the other discussions as well.

I would of thought they would of been a little smarter since too CMDCM Gene Treants since they are such a small community.

Being much smaller community, means it that much harder to get them out of that old boys will be boys mentality. They have resisted because they relied on false arguments that have been used by every Branch for many years. Especially the Combat Arms of the Army and Marine Corps. With the Submarine Service everyone brought into it largely, because of the compact size of a Submarine compared to Surface Fleet. The Air Force and Aviation in the Navy has been integrated for several years. It hasn't affected their status or effectiveness since. It takes the unit Command on down as well as their support Chain of Command, to make something work or not to work.

Very well said PV2 Abbott Shaull. I was guilty when they said that they were looking to integrate women on subs. But it was not because i did not think they could do the job. It was because of stuff like this. I saw it coming but i was hopping at the same time that they would be smarter then this and a little more mature too.

To be honest PO2 Corey Ferretti, I would count myself in the same boat about women in the Infantry, for similar reason. I do honestly believe they can do the job and their will be no lack of capabilities because they are in the units. Yet, it is bullshit like this cause by a few bad apples, and rest of the old cultural things that Chain of Command will never step up and truly change until we have a number of women in command positions to force it. It is this that will erode the capability of the unit to operate effective downrange if called upon because a lack of trust.

I agree that if that did infact take place for a year it is something that someone in power should have been aware of happening. Disgusting, without a doubt.

SFC (Join to see) I do not believe there are enough charges that can be brought against this idiot. I do agree that the female officers need to find the ability to trust once more and not think this is the way ALL Sailors behave.

I couldnt ever suggest that all Sailors, or even most of them act this way. They are just like any other group of people, they have the good and the bad

Unfortunately, I did not see that question. When did you post it?

My post was about how DOD should handle invasion of privacy as exemplified in this case...some admin thought it wise to merge with your Q...

Fully agree PO3 (Join to see) we need men to take over and lead.

Maybe this will wake people up enough so that this crap is a blast from the past and no longer tolerated! Maybe!

PO2 (Join to see) I totally agree that this is disrespectful, but I am more concerned with your other point. If you reported this and it was "squashed" then you need to take it higher. Follow your chain as long as it works, but there are other means available for reporting if the chain fails you or your Sailors, use them.

When I said it was squashed, our female Senior Chief and another female chief called us all together and talked to everyone. After that, there was not an issue with it. I am not the type of person to sit and let some of these things happen. I had a male PO1 make a comment to me and I turned him into the COC because he held the CMEO title. I didn't think someone should be in that position if he made commands like what he did to me.