Posted on Nov 14, 2016
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Thought the picture was bigger, 2nd completely visible person, top row, to the right of Secretary Clinton's hip. Noticed a female Navy LT in uniform at a Clinton Rally. First saw it in the final episode of Showtimes The Circus.
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Edited 9 y ago
Posted 9 y ago
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So this is what bothers me about the UCMJ there are so many if this is like this then this is allowed you are not allowed under the UCMJ to openly show support or use the uniform to influence support of a politicle manor however if on duty in some compacity its ok as long as its not support.... for instance while home on leave i was asked by my recruiter to accompany him to schools and to a rally where students were to watch the mayor speak we were in uniform as public relations and allowed to keep our covers on in both cases indoors
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Maj John Bell
This isn't about keeping her cover on indoors. It is a violation of DoD policy to give the appearance of endorsing a candidate at a political rally while in uniform. I don't know the specifics of your visit to schools with the recruiter. The recruiter may have unknowingly asked you to violate DoD policy.
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PO1 (Join to see)
If it's just a speech (i.e. a public event where an elected official is talking) it's ok. If it's a campaign rally, it's not. You also cannot work for or volunteer for political parties or political action groups. You can attend rallies if you are off duty and not in uniform though. Reservists can work and volunteer for political groups as long as they are not in orders.
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If she is there in an official capacity, so be it. A picture like this, is not any evidence of what she is doing there. There needs to be more info as to why she was there. Her command will know either way.
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Maj John Bell
From DoD Directive 1344.10 What Active Duty Members Can and Cannot Do in regards to political activities. Note the 1st and 15th cannot, I marked them with an asterisk.
Can - Register, vote, and express a personal opinion on political candidates and issues, but not as a representative of the Armed Forces.
Can - Promote and encourage other military members to exercise their voting franchise, if such promotion does not constitute an attempt to influence or interfere with the outcome of an election.
Can - Join a political club and attend its meetings when not in uniform.
Can - Serve as an election official, if such service is not as a representative of a partisan political party, does not interfere with the performance of military duties, is performed when not in uniform, and the Secretary concerned has given prior approval. The Secretary concerned may NOT delegate the authority to grant or deny such permission.
Can - Sign a petition for specific legislative action or a petition to place a candidate's name on an official election ballot, if the signing does not obligate the member to engage in partisan political activity and is done as a private citizen and not as a representative of the Armed Forces.
Can - Write a letter to the editor of a newspaper expressing the member’s personal views on public issues or political candidates, if such action is not part of an organized letter-writing campaign or a solicitation of votes for or against a political party or partisan political cause or candidate. If the letter identifies the member as on active duty (or if the member is otherwise reasonably identifiable as a member of the Armed Forces), the letter should clearly state that the views expressed are those of the individual only and not those of the Department of Defense.
Can - Make monetary contributions to a political organization, party, or committee favoring a particular candidate or slate of candidates, subject to the limitations of law.
Can - Display a political sticker on the member's private vehicle.
Can - Attend partisan and nonpartisan political fundraising activities, meetings, rallies, debates, conventions, or activities as a spectator when not in uniform and when no inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement can reasonably be drawn.
Can - Participate fully in the Federal Voting Assistance Program.
What Active Duty Members Can and Cannot Do
*Cannot - Participate in partisan political fundraising activities, rallies, conventions (including making speeches in the course thereof), management of campaigns, or debates, either on one’s own behalf or on that of another, without respect to uniform or inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement. Participation includes more than mere attendance as a spectator.
Cannot - Use official authority or influence to interfere with an election, affect the course or outcome of an election, solicit votes for a particular candidate or issue, or require or solicit political contributions from others.
Cannot -Allow or cause to be published partisan political articles, letters, or endorsements signed or written by the member that solicits votes for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause. However, letters to the editor are allowed.
Cannot - Serve in any official capacity with or be listed as a sponsor of a partisan political club.
Cannot - Speak before a partisan political gathering, including any gathering that promotes a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
Cannot - Participate in any radio, television, or other program or group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
Cannot - Conduct a political opinion survey under the auspices of a partisan political club or group or distribute partisan political literature.
Cannot - Perform clerical or other duties for a partisan political committee or candidate during a campaign, on an election day, or after an election day during the process of closing out a campaign.
Cannot - Solicit or otherwise engage in fundraising activities in Federal offices or facilities, including military reservations, for any political cause or candidate.
Cannot - March or ride in a partisan political parade.
Cannot - Display a large political sign, banner, or poster (as distinguished from a bumper sticker) on a private vehicle.
Cannot - Display a partisan political sign, poster, banner, or similar device visible to the public at one’s residence on a military installation, even if that residence is part of a privatized housing development.
Cannot - Participate in any organized effort to provide voters with transportation to the polls if the effort is organized by or associated with a partisan political party, cause, or candidate.
Cannot - Sell tickets for or otherwise actively promote partisan political dinners and similar fundraising events.
*Cannot - Attend partisan political events as an official representative of the Armed Forces, except as a member of a joint Armed Forces color guard at the opening ceremonies of the national conventions of the Republican, Democratic, or other political parties recognized by the Federal Elections Committee or as otherwise authorized by the Secretary concerned.
Cannot - Make a campaign contribution to, or receive or solicit (on one’s own behalf) a campaign contribution from, any other member of the Armed Forces on active duty.
Cannot - Any activity that may be reasonably viewed as directly or indirectly associating the Department of Defense or the Department of Homeland Security (in the case of the Coast Guard) or any component of these Departments with a partisan political activity or is otherwise contrary to the spirit and intention of this Directive shall be avoided.
Can - Register, vote, and express a personal opinion on political candidates and issues, but not as a representative of the Armed Forces.
Can - Promote and encourage other military members to exercise their voting franchise, if such promotion does not constitute an attempt to influence or interfere with the outcome of an election.
Can - Join a political club and attend its meetings when not in uniform.
Can - Serve as an election official, if such service is not as a representative of a partisan political party, does not interfere with the performance of military duties, is performed when not in uniform, and the Secretary concerned has given prior approval. The Secretary concerned may NOT delegate the authority to grant or deny such permission.
Can - Sign a petition for specific legislative action or a petition to place a candidate's name on an official election ballot, if the signing does not obligate the member to engage in partisan political activity and is done as a private citizen and not as a representative of the Armed Forces.
Can - Write a letter to the editor of a newspaper expressing the member’s personal views on public issues or political candidates, if such action is not part of an organized letter-writing campaign or a solicitation of votes for or against a political party or partisan political cause or candidate. If the letter identifies the member as on active duty (or if the member is otherwise reasonably identifiable as a member of the Armed Forces), the letter should clearly state that the views expressed are those of the individual only and not those of the Department of Defense.
Can - Make monetary contributions to a political organization, party, or committee favoring a particular candidate or slate of candidates, subject to the limitations of law.
Can - Display a political sticker on the member's private vehicle.
Can - Attend partisan and nonpartisan political fundraising activities, meetings, rallies, debates, conventions, or activities as a spectator when not in uniform and when no inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement can reasonably be drawn.
Can - Participate fully in the Federal Voting Assistance Program.
What Active Duty Members Can and Cannot Do
*Cannot - Participate in partisan political fundraising activities, rallies, conventions (including making speeches in the course thereof), management of campaigns, or debates, either on one’s own behalf or on that of another, without respect to uniform or inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement. Participation includes more than mere attendance as a spectator.
Cannot - Use official authority or influence to interfere with an election, affect the course or outcome of an election, solicit votes for a particular candidate or issue, or require or solicit political contributions from others.
Cannot -Allow or cause to be published partisan political articles, letters, or endorsements signed or written by the member that solicits votes for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause. However, letters to the editor are allowed.
Cannot - Serve in any official capacity with or be listed as a sponsor of a partisan political club.
Cannot - Speak before a partisan political gathering, including any gathering that promotes a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
Cannot - Participate in any radio, television, or other program or group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
Cannot - Conduct a political opinion survey under the auspices of a partisan political club or group or distribute partisan political literature.
Cannot - Perform clerical or other duties for a partisan political committee or candidate during a campaign, on an election day, or after an election day during the process of closing out a campaign.
Cannot - Solicit or otherwise engage in fundraising activities in Federal offices or facilities, including military reservations, for any political cause or candidate.
Cannot - March or ride in a partisan political parade.
Cannot - Display a large political sign, banner, or poster (as distinguished from a bumper sticker) on a private vehicle.
Cannot - Display a partisan political sign, poster, banner, or similar device visible to the public at one’s residence on a military installation, even if that residence is part of a privatized housing development.
Cannot - Participate in any organized effort to provide voters with transportation to the polls if the effort is organized by or associated with a partisan political party, cause, or candidate.
Cannot - Sell tickets for or otherwise actively promote partisan political dinners and similar fundraising events.
*Cannot - Attend partisan political events as an official representative of the Armed Forces, except as a member of a joint Armed Forces color guard at the opening ceremonies of the national conventions of the Republican, Democratic, or other political parties recognized by the Federal Elections Committee or as otherwise authorized by the Secretary concerned.
Cannot - Make a campaign contribution to, or receive or solicit (on one’s own behalf) a campaign contribution from, any other member of the Armed Forces on active duty.
Cannot - Any activity that may be reasonably viewed as directly or indirectly associating the Department of Defense or the Department of Homeland Security (in the case of the Coast Guard) or any component of these Departments with a partisan political activity or is otherwise contrary to the spirit and intention of this Directive shall be avoided.
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PO1 Howard Doll
And again. What info do we have on this photo? I was a Yeoman I know the regulations (flag writer). Quoting regs is not the point. I submit there is no info as to what this individual is doing in the photo. She could be someone planted there, like a paid activist. I was being "cheeky" on the official capacity. Sorry I was not more specific.
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Maj John Bell
PO1 Howard Doll - If Secretary Clinton or someone on her staff was using a paid activist to give the impression of military support for her candidacy that should also be addressed. There are laws that apply to civilians that are no different than trademark laws that prevent them from co-opting certain military symbols and regalia to create the impression of military endorsement.
Agreed quoting regulations is not the point. Following them is. In a high visibility situation "minor" infractions should not be tolerated. The photo is in and of itself enough evidence that DoD policy may have been violated and the matter should be looked into. Old military maxim - Don't issue orders you are not willing to enforce.
Agreed quoting regulations is not the point. Following them is. In a high visibility situation "minor" infractions should not be tolerated. The photo is in and of itself enough evidence that DoD policy may have been violated and the matter should be looked into. Old military maxim - Don't issue orders you are not willing to enforce.
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She could be under arms (on watch), and therefore allowed to wear her cover indoors.
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Maj John Bell
From DoD Directive 1344.10 What Active Duty Members Can and Cannot Do in regards to political activities. Not the 1st and 15th cannot, I marked them with an asterisk.
Can - Register, vote, and express a personal opinion on political candidates and issues, but not as a representative of the Armed Forces.
Can - Promote and encourage other military members to exercise their voting franchise, if such promotion does not constitute an attempt to influence or interfere with the outcome of an election.
Can - Join a political club and attend its meetings when not in uniform.
Can - Serve as an election official, if such service is not as a representative of a partisan political party, does not interfere with the performance of military duties, is performed when not in uniform, and the Secretary concerned has given prior approval. The Secretary concerned may NOT delegate the authority to grant or deny such permission.
Can - Sign a petition for specific legislative action or a petition to place a candidate's name on an official election ballot, if the signing does not obligate the member to engage in partisan political activity and is done as a private citizen and not as a representative of the Armed Forces.
Can - Write a letter to the editor of a newspaper expressing the member’s personal views on public issues or political candidates, if such action is not part of an organized letter-writing campaign or a solicitation of votes for or against a political party or partisan political cause or candidate. If the letter identifies the member as on active duty (or if the member is otherwise reasonably identifiable as a member of the Armed Forces), the letter should clearly state that the views expressed are those of the individual only and not those of the Department of Defense.
Can - Make monetary contributions to a political organization, party, or committee favoring a particular candidate or slate of candidates, subject to the limitations of law.
Can - Display a political sticker on the member's private vehicle.
Can - Attend partisan and nonpartisan political fundraising activities, meetings, rallies, debates, conventions, or activities as a spectator when not in uniform and when no inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement can reasonably be drawn.
Can - Participate fully in the Federal Voting Assistance Program.
What Active Duty Members Can and Cannot Do
*Cannot - Participate in partisan political fundraising activities, rallies, conventions (including making speeches in the course thereof), management of campaigns, or debates, either on one’s own behalf or on that of another, without respect to uniform or inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement. Participation includes more than mere attendance as a spectator.
Cannot - Use official authority or influence to interfere with an election, affect the course or outcome of an election, solicit votes for a particular candidate or issue, or require or solicit political contributions from others.
Cannot -Allow or cause to be published partisan political articles, letters, or endorsements signed or written by the member that solicits votes for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause. However, letters to the editor are allowed.
Cannot - Serve in any official capacity with or be listed as a sponsor of a partisan political club.
Cannot - Speak before a partisan political gathering, including any gathering that promotes a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
Cannot - Participate in any radio, television, or other program or group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
Cannot - Conduct a political opinion survey under the auspices of a partisan political club or group or distribute partisan political literature.
Cannot - Perform clerical or other duties for a partisan political committee or candidate during a campaign, on an election day, or after an election day during the process of closing out a campaign.
Cannot - Solicit or otherwise engage in fundraising activities in Federal offices or facilities, including military reservations, for any political cause or candidate.
Cannot - March or ride in a partisan political parade.
Cannot - Display a large political sign, banner, or poster (as distinguished from a bumper sticker) on a private vehicle.
Cannot - Display a partisan political sign, poster, banner, or similar device visible to the public at one’s residence on a military installation, even if that residence is part of a privatized housing development.
Cannot - Participate in any organized effort to provide voters with transportation to the polls if the effort is organized by or associated with a partisan political party, cause, or candidate.
Cannot - Sell tickets for or otherwise actively promote partisan political dinners and similar fundraising events.
*Cannot - Attend partisan political events as an official representative of the Armed Forces, except as a member of a joint Armed Forces color guard at the opening ceremonies of the national conventions of the Republican, Democratic, or other political parties recognized by the Federal Elections Committee or as otherwise authorized by the Secretary concerned.
Cannot - Make a campaign contribution to, or receive or solicit (on one’s own behalf) a campaign contribution from, any other member of the Armed Forces on active duty.
Cannot - Any activity that may be reasonably viewed as directly or indirectly associating the Department of Defense or the Department of Homeland Security (in the case of the Coast Guard) or any component of these Departments with a partisan political activity or is otherwise contrary to the spirit and intention of this Directive shall be avoided.
Can - Register, vote, and express a personal opinion on political candidates and issues, but not as a representative of the Armed Forces.
Can - Promote and encourage other military members to exercise their voting franchise, if such promotion does not constitute an attempt to influence or interfere with the outcome of an election.
Can - Join a political club and attend its meetings when not in uniform.
Can - Serve as an election official, if such service is not as a representative of a partisan political party, does not interfere with the performance of military duties, is performed when not in uniform, and the Secretary concerned has given prior approval. The Secretary concerned may NOT delegate the authority to grant or deny such permission.
Can - Sign a petition for specific legislative action or a petition to place a candidate's name on an official election ballot, if the signing does not obligate the member to engage in partisan political activity and is done as a private citizen and not as a representative of the Armed Forces.
Can - Write a letter to the editor of a newspaper expressing the member’s personal views on public issues or political candidates, if such action is not part of an organized letter-writing campaign or a solicitation of votes for or against a political party or partisan political cause or candidate. If the letter identifies the member as on active duty (or if the member is otherwise reasonably identifiable as a member of the Armed Forces), the letter should clearly state that the views expressed are those of the individual only and not those of the Department of Defense.
Can - Make monetary contributions to a political organization, party, or committee favoring a particular candidate or slate of candidates, subject to the limitations of law.
Can - Display a political sticker on the member's private vehicle.
Can - Attend partisan and nonpartisan political fundraising activities, meetings, rallies, debates, conventions, or activities as a spectator when not in uniform and when no inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement can reasonably be drawn.
Can - Participate fully in the Federal Voting Assistance Program.
What Active Duty Members Can and Cannot Do
*Cannot - Participate in partisan political fundraising activities, rallies, conventions (including making speeches in the course thereof), management of campaigns, or debates, either on one’s own behalf or on that of another, without respect to uniform or inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement. Participation includes more than mere attendance as a spectator.
Cannot - Use official authority or influence to interfere with an election, affect the course or outcome of an election, solicit votes for a particular candidate or issue, or require or solicit political contributions from others.
Cannot -Allow or cause to be published partisan political articles, letters, or endorsements signed or written by the member that solicits votes for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause. However, letters to the editor are allowed.
Cannot - Serve in any official capacity with or be listed as a sponsor of a partisan political club.
Cannot - Speak before a partisan political gathering, including any gathering that promotes a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
Cannot - Participate in any radio, television, or other program or group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause.
Cannot - Conduct a political opinion survey under the auspices of a partisan political club or group or distribute partisan political literature.
Cannot - Perform clerical or other duties for a partisan political committee or candidate during a campaign, on an election day, or after an election day during the process of closing out a campaign.
Cannot - Solicit or otherwise engage in fundraising activities in Federal offices or facilities, including military reservations, for any political cause or candidate.
Cannot - March or ride in a partisan political parade.
Cannot - Display a large political sign, banner, or poster (as distinguished from a bumper sticker) on a private vehicle.
Cannot - Display a partisan political sign, poster, banner, or similar device visible to the public at one’s residence on a military installation, even if that residence is part of a privatized housing development.
Cannot - Participate in any organized effort to provide voters with transportation to the polls if the effort is organized by or associated with a partisan political party, cause, or candidate.
Cannot - Sell tickets for or otherwise actively promote partisan political dinners and similar fundraising events.
*Cannot - Attend partisan political events as an official representative of the Armed Forces, except as a member of a joint Armed Forces color guard at the opening ceremonies of the national conventions of the Republican, Democratic, or other political parties recognized by the Federal Elections Committee or as otherwise authorized by the Secretary concerned.
Cannot - Make a campaign contribution to, or receive or solicit (on one’s own behalf) a campaign contribution from, any other member of the Armed Forces on active duty.
Cannot - Any activity that may be reasonably viewed as directly or indirectly associating the Department of Defense or the Department of Homeland Security (in the case of the Coast Guard) or any component of these Departments with a partisan political activity or is otherwise contrary to the spirit and intention of this Directive shall be avoided.
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Sorry there LT but, that's a violation. Also, why is the flag backwards? When hanging like that I'm pretty sure the field of stars is supposed to be on the right!
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PO1 (Join to see)
Ah, never mind. I looked it up. Been a long time since I had to hang a flag indoors. It's right. I will go back to my drink and shut up now. ;)
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This happened with both parties. I guess a few folks did not get the memo.
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Me being me why is she covered indoors? We weren't allowed unless under arms, so why should she be covered? Sorry I have to plead to being very ignorant on regulations that never impacted my world.
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SSgt Christopher Mortell
Good point. But then she's at a rally in uniform. My guess is she doesn't really give a shit about uniform regulations.
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interesting...
Its OK...
... now it's time to start working to get the next Administration going ... and the Navy handle the minor issues...
The longer we drag out reconciliation the more ill feelings well be developed on both sides...
Its OK...
... now it's time to start working to get the next Administration going ... and the Navy handle the minor issues...
The longer we drag out reconciliation the more ill feelings well be developed on both sides...
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