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For this question I am not talking about the term it self, but rather the group, Oath Keepers (http://www.oathkeepers.org). If yah, are you a member and/or why do you support them? If nah, what makes you say so?
Update: I am not sponsoring nor trying to promote Oath Keepers on Rally Point. This question is not an invitation to join Oath Keepers.org. I am just curious about everyone's opinions about the group itself. This is merely a question I posed as a way to gain insight into how other service members and veterans see the group.
Update: I am not sponsoring nor trying to promote Oath Keepers on Rally Point. This question is not an invitation to join Oath Keepers.org. I am just curious about everyone's opinions about the group itself. This is merely a question I posed as a way to gain insight into how other service members and veterans see the group.
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I've met several. They get VERY close to "enemies...domestic" in just about every conversation I've had. Paranoid, uneducated "Constitutional Scholars" who think violence is an acceptable strategy to forcing their particular brand of freedom (which is oddly limited to their opinions, religious beliefs and ideology) on the rest of the country.
So no.
So no.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
SGT Kevin Brown, What I mean is they firmly believe that their particular political ideology is so correct that it would justify armed insurrection, circumvention of the Constitutionally outlined avenues to effect political change and some rather novel ideas on what constitutes freedom. In essence, they would fall under domestic enemies that we all swore an oath to defend against (oh the irony!).
I've heard that many chapters aren't like that, and that may very well be true. However, I find narrative moving in those circles a little concerning. Paranoia, a sense that they "speak" for a vast majority of the country (The most recent number being 87%) and a constant consumption of ideologically driven media are pretty common themes.
If they were ideologically neutral, I would be slightly more comfortable with the idea, but they are decidedly not and any change they brought about would be decidedly disenfranchising for a large portion of the country.
I've heard that many chapters aren't like that, and that may very well be true. However, I find narrative moving in those circles a little concerning. Paranoia, a sense that they "speak" for a vast majority of the country (The most recent number being 87%) and a constant consumption of ideologically driven media are pretty common themes.
If they were ideologically neutral, I would be slightly more comfortable with the idea, but they are decidedly not and any change they brought about would be decidedly disenfranchising for a large portion of the country.
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SSG Bill McCoy
The problem with the Oath Keepers has always been that there is absolutely NO vetting of anyone who has wanted to join. On it's face, with it's pledge to (continue to) uphold the Constitution and disobey orders that actually are contrary to the Constitution, it started out well. Without vetting however, ANYONE could join and even after I did, it soon became apparent that the recruitment goal was about money, and in hindsight, not surprisingly so! So I had said goodbye to them a long time ago.
They should have required, at least a DD Form 214 (redacted SSN, etc), or a photo-copy of police credetials or some sort of evidence that would have kept out the nut cases.
They should have required, at least a DD Form 214 (redacted SSN, etc), or a photo-copy of police credetials or some sort of evidence that would have kept out the nut cases.
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I'm voting "nah", but I do have mixed opinions.
On the one hand, I support their core ideal that they will not break the oath to defend the constitution, and therefore would not support the disarming of American Citizens, or the stripping of any of the other rights granted by it.
On the other hand, I've seen some really backwards ways of claiming to support the Constitution that border on, if not outright contradict, the very ideals of the Constitution.
Overall, I arrived at "nah" because for them to be taken seriously, they would need to unify, organize, and 100% fall in line with the Constitution for them to be anything other than a potential danger to the very Constitution they swear to uphold.
On the one hand, I support their core ideal that they will not break the oath to defend the constitution, and therefore would not support the disarming of American Citizens, or the stripping of any of the other rights granted by it.
On the other hand, I've seen some really backwards ways of claiming to support the Constitution that border on, if not outright contradict, the very ideals of the Constitution.
Overall, I arrived at "nah" because for them to be taken seriously, they would need to unify, organize, and 100% fall in line with the Constitution for them to be anything other than a potential danger to the very Constitution they swear to uphold.
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Absolutely not..they misinterpret the constitution to support their own ideology while most have never read it. Never heard of them before we got a president that they didn't like.
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My allegiance and loyalty are to the safety and security of the American people, so no.
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SGT William Howell
SrA Edward Vong Eddie, you may think the same of me if you come to my house. To quote my wife, "How many fucking guns can you shoot at once?"
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SGT William Howell
SrA Edward Vong I make them for a living. So we have just about anything you ever want to shoot here. Cans, full autos, working on a full auto .308 rifle, and a belt fed shotgun. Let me know the next time you are in Cincinnati we can go to the range.
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While in uniform, you walk a fine line in supporting an agency like the Oathkeepers openly. Conduct careful study into its members and their tenets and determine how well they match with the oath you took. A member of the United States military can support all kinds of organizations as long as they are not done publicly. Look at other organizations that support the Oathkeepers and their records. This is where I have the hardest time with the organization. Often you can't tell an organization from their professed beliefs, but you can judge them on what other organizations they are supported by...and who and what they support.
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LCDR (Join to see)
I don't think everything they do is bad, but as mentioned it is very hard to tell and there is definitely some shadiness going on.
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SP5 Dave (Shotgun) Shockley
I am a new member and if I see anything that I feel is contrary to my beliefs or dangerous to others I will resign. So far I have not run into this in my chapter. A lot are retired military or police. I have no problem with them standing against Antifa or other groups that disrespect our country with violence, and hate filled rhetoric. It seems to me what I have seen so far is that they never attack unless attacked first. Maybe I haven't seen this and could possibly be wrong. If you are aware of this type of situation please post the situation with videos etc. I would be very interested in seeing if I have made a mistake. Also, if you are aware of another group that is better I would like to have that information also. Thanks for letting me be a part of this discussion.
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SPC Jeffery Salter
Before you jump in head first you should take a look at the Southern Poverty Law Center's reporting on the Oath Keepers.
Also, what do you know about sovereign citizenry?
Have you taken a look at the anti-government laws of the state in which you plan to join and participate in the activities of the Oath Keepers.
You might want to, "profile", and take a look a good look at who is really operating as Oath Keepers. What I mean by that is this: are you falling in with the right crowd or a bunch of yahoos that are out there trying to relive the golden age of whatever? Are these people really honorable Veterans and first responders?
Here's an interesting thing to look into: What system of policies are in place by the Oath Keepers for internal control and discipline?
Just some food for thought....
Before you jump in head first you should take a look at the Southern Poverty Law Center's reporting on the Oath Keepers.
Also, what do you know about sovereign citizenry?
Have you taken a look at the anti-government laws of the state in which you plan to join and participate in the activities of the Oath Keepers.
You might want to, "profile", and take a look a good look at who is really operating as Oath Keepers. What I mean by that is this: are you falling in with the right crowd or a bunch of yahoos that are out there trying to relive the golden age of whatever? Are these people really honorable Veterans and first responders?
Here's an interesting thing to look into: What system of policies are in place by the Oath Keepers for internal control and discipline?
Just some food for thought....
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MAJ (Join to see)
In many ways the SPLC is every bit as bad as the Oathkeepers. The FBI ceased using their info on "hate groups" years ago.
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SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) is a George Soros globalist funded organization.
The Oath Keepers are not a hate group by any means. I have been a part of the Oath Keepers for several years and all we want to do is Defend the Constitution of the United States and get our communities prepared for any man made or Natural Disaster.
We don't care about race, color, Religion or Sex.
What brings us all together is our love of this country and our oath that we all took when we joined.
Racial Bigotry is not acceptable in the Oath Keepers. We don't tolerate that nonsense among our ranks and membership just as the military doesn't tolerate that nonsense.
I tell people all of the time that when I see flag draped caskets come home from the war zone, I don't see race or religion or sex.
I see Red White and Blue Blooded American Patriots who given their last breath of devotion to our Constitution and Our Country.
The Oath Keepers are not a hate group by any means. I have been a part of the Oath Keepers for several years and all we want to do is Defend the Constitution of the United States and get our communities prepared for any man made or Natural Disaster.
We don't care about race, color, Religion or Sex.
What brings us all together is our love of this country and our oath that we all took when we joined.
Racial Bigotry is not acceptable in the Oath Keepers. We don't tolerate that nonsense among our ranks and membership just as the military doesn't tolerate that nonsense.
I tell people all of the time that when I see flag draped caskets come home from the war zone, I don't see race or religion or sex.
I see Red White and Blue Blooded American Patriots who given their last breath of devotion to our Constitution and Our Country.
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SP5 Dave (Shotgun) Shockley
SPC(P) (Join to see) - SPLC seems to a hate group from some of the articles I have read. As with others not familiar a deeper look needs to be taken before making them the sole source. Nothing I have seen yet points me in that direction. A lot of hate speech.
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As a German American I am reminded of another group that focused on an Oath and it wasn't a good thing ""I am Germany and Germany is Me" "You will swear an Oath to me". I view them in that same light.
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While in uniform, only one oath counts and that's the one you took when you joined. Taking another that is counter to the first is treasonous in my thinking.
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SPC(P) (Join to see)
And that is the whole point to my question. I make no claims to being an intellectual, truth be told I can be rather slow at times, which is why I look to learn from and with others. I have not found anything from the Oath Keepers that is counter to our oath, as of yet. In fact, their oath is to honor the first oath we all took, as best as I can tell so far. So I have reached out to this community to see if others have any helpful insights and/or knowledge to this group.
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Disgusting right wing extremist group. Every conversation I've ever had with a member about the group narrowed their belief structure down to three key tenets:
Oathkeepers in a nutshell
1) Guns are great!
2) Gays, liberals and minorities are ruining the country.
3) We need the guns to kill the gays, liberals and minoroties to save the country.
Disgusting group. Definite "nah".
Oathkeepers in a nutshell
1) Guns are great!
2) Gays, liberals and minorities are ruining the country.
3) We need the guns to kill the gays, liberals and minoroties to save the country.
Disgusting group. Definite "nah".
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