Posted on Jan 14, 2015
On the spot corrections in public; when is it appropriate?
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This weekend me and my GF decided to get out and go to the movies not near any military base once so ever (maybe a Reserve or NG training facility could be near by). So I'm glancing around notice a uniform on a young lady and her hair down with a PT cap on inside of the mall. I didn't loose my mind at first because it could be anyone just wearing the uniform these days. As I get closer to her I notice she has on SPC rank. I told my GF that I have to say something to her and of course she didn't understand. When I approached the SPC and her civilian male acquaintance, I asked her was she in the Army and she quickly replied "yes". So I asked her did she know she was in complete violation of Army Regs she says "yes". The female rolled her eyes at me and I could tell she was going to have
a attitude with me so I quickly removed myself from the situation. So at what point do we as leaders make a on the spot correction in public or remove ourselves from the situation? I felt at the time as a NCO I should have done more to make her fix herself, but on the other hand I didn't want to make a scene at the mall and in public. SPC Ware I definitely will remember you forever.
a attitude with me so I quickly removed myself from the situation. So at what point do we as leaders make a on the spot correction in public or remove ourselves from the situation? I felt at the time as a NCO I should have done more to make her fix herself, but on the other hand I didn't want to make a scene at the mall and in public. SPC Ware I definitely will remember you forever.
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This happens in all ranks... I had a MAJ who wore an ORANGE t-shirt under his ACUs with a lei, and said, "it's okay, we are supporting a community exercise by being involved". I respectfully disagreed with him, since he outranks me. However, I also referred the situation to the Battalion Commander as I felt the MAJ was setting a precedence for poor judgement / new standard of what is "acceptable" off duty. I don't care who you are, the uniform needs to be respected or removed from your person if you are not wearing it in accordance with AR 670-1
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SGT Justin Singleton
While I completely agree with you that standards should be kept, I'm not sure I would have taken it to the BC. Seems like it might actually back fire on you (making you seem to be a "tattletale").
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I would have yelled and screamed and ranted and .... Well, that is what the Chiefs in the Navy told me to do when I was in.
I remember when I was home from boot camp nobody had told us we couldn't wear our dungarees off base so I was wearing them. A sailor saw me and asked if I was just out of boot camp and I said yes. So he told me I couldn't wear that off base and told me I should go home and change into civvies or a proper uniform. Then he walked away. I was grateful for the way he handled it, quietly.
Of course since she told you she knows she is out of uniform regs I would have told her a bit more forcefully to go fix it now or I would be reporting her to her command. Of course you would have to know her command.
Now since I started working at USPACOM I have seen female sailors with their hair past their collars. I asked a Senior Chief about that and he told me that there was nothing he could do because the offender was female. Apparently now days if a male says anything to a junior female she can just yell sexual harassment and get away with it. So a female superior has to talk to the female. But there aren't enough of them to handle it.
Also what is this crap about women out at sea can have 1 stuffed toy on their bunk when they aren't in it???? WHAT??? NOTHING ON THE RACK! Those things go flying when a ship takes heavy seas or come under fire.
I remember when I was home from boot camp nobody had told us we couldn't wear our dungarees off base so I was wearing them. A sailor saw me and asked if I was just out of boot camp and I said yes. So he told me I couldn't wear that off base and told me I should go home and change into civvies or a proper uniform. Then he walked away. I was grateful for the way he handled it, quietly.
Of course since she told you she knows she is out of uniform regs I would have told her a bit more forcefully to go fix it now or I would be reporting her to her command. Of course you would have to know her command.
Now since I started working at USPACOM I have seen female sailors with their hair past their collars. I asked a Senior Chief about that and he told me that there was nothing he could do because the offender was female. Apparently now days if a male says anything to a junior female she can just yell sexual harassment and get away with it. So a female superior has to talk to the female. But there aren't enough of them to handle it.
Also what is this crap about women out at sea can have 1 stuffed toy on their bunk when they aren't in it???? WHAT??? NOTHING ON THE RACK! Those things go flying when a ship takes heavy seas or come under fire.
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SCPO Joshua I
I've never had that problem, I correct female Sailors just as I correct male Sailors. It's all about professionalism -- if someone made a sexual harassment claim against me they would be laughed out of the EOA's office (because it would be false, and obviously false, not because we disregard such complaints).
The E-8 who thinks he can't correct female Sailors is simply afraid of doing the right thing, and that's a significant problem in the Navy today.
And the toy thing? Not specific to females. GW has an instruction that allows it for everyone. And there are guys with stuffed toys on their racks, as completely absurd as that is.
The E-8 who thinks he can't correct female Sailors is simply afraid of doing the right thing, and that's a significant problem in the Navy today.
And the toy thing? Not specific to females. GW has an instruction that allows it for everyone. And there are guys with stuffed toys on their racks, as completely absurd as that is.
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PO1 Donald Hammond
Interesting thing about all this. I was once accused of sexual harassment for telling a female sailor to do her job, be a sailor. It got dropped because I had witnesses to what had occurred. This taught me to always have witnesses when dealing with a member of the opposite sex. Not just male to female but vice versa. Even in civilian life if I have to discipline a female I have a female supervisor present.
And don't be so sure about the EOA laughing these things off. I've seen it go the other way in the Navy, Army, and civilian life. Sadly, a woman can ruin a man's life by just filing a complaint, valid or not.
And don't be so sure about the EOA laughing these things off. I've seen it go the other way in the Navy, Army, and civilian life. Sadly, a woman can ruin a man's life by just filing a complaint, valid or not.
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In light of correction, it would solely depend on the situation at hand. Although you ask her in regards, was she in a standard of military, in which her reply was a "yes", in her response with the rolling of eyes, my Indication would ask, may I see her military ID with myself pulling out mine as well. If she could not provide such, then I would just back off and look at either another case of Stolen Valor, and pathetic.
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Maybe if you rrport her you can get an ARCOM lol. J/k I've corrected NG for wearing covers in door myself so I suppose it all depends on how you want to handle it. I don't understand why soldiers sre wearing uniforms out to things like movies? We always wore civilian clothing. And from you picture looks like she needed more than an on the spot correction was needed? Why wear BDU or ACUs or whatever they are called now mixed with a PT uniform?? Sll I can say is she is Ate The FRack up in my opinion.
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Should have made her lock her nasty body and fix herself or go the hell home. Why is she in uniform to go see a movie anyway? I can't stand seeing ACU's when I go out in public. Stop being lazy and change into civvies or, if you really really want recognition, wear your service uniform.
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You handled this correctly so as not to great a public scene but you also need to follow up with her chain of command. When I find myself in similar situations, I first obtain their name and unit from them, then politely issue the necessary instructions to always be in the proper military uniform or change into civilian clothing. If they then display the "attitude" I just follow up with their chain of command. I live in a small town so I will see them later and usually they still have the "attitude" toward me but either are in civilian clothing or proper uniform.
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I had a similar situation there was this pfc in full uniform riding a small pink skateboard to the train station, when I confronted him about it his excuse was he got a dui how else was he supposed to get around? To which I replied the fu**ing shoelace express!
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Maybe for entertainment, I would have embarrassed her in front of her friends since she likes to show off in uniform.
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I wish you filmed it. If that was a Soldier, she has not pride in being a Soldier. I want her to beat her face on the asphalt. That means do push up for anyone not Army.
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SSG (Join to see) SSG you did the right thing. I would have maybe pulled her aside. But you did the right thing and didn't ingore it.
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