Posted on Jan 14, 2015
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This weekend me and my GF decided to get out and go to the movies not near any military base once so ever (maybe a Reserve or NG training facility could be near by). So I'm glancing around notice a uniform on a young lady and her hair down with a PT cap on inside of the mall. I didn't loose my mind at first because it could be anyone just wearing the uniform these days. As I get closer to her I notice she has on SPC rank. I told my GF that I have to say something to her and of course she didn't understand. When I approached the SPC and her civilian male acquaintance, I asked her was she in the Army and she quickly replied "yes". So I asked her did she know she was in complete violation of Army Regs she says "yes". The female rolled her eyes at me and I could tell she was going to have
a attitude with me so I quickly removed myself from the situation. So at what point do we as leaders make a on the spot correction in public or remove ourselves from the situation? I felt at the time as a NCO I should have done more to make her fix herself, but on the other hand I didn't want to make a scene at the mall and in public. SPC Ware I definitely will remember you forever.
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SSG Team Leader
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Call her out. This soldier is in a very public location, wearing the same uniform that I wear. You damn well better believe I'll call her out on the spot.
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PO3 Jeff Lane
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Disrespect for the uniform is disrespect for everyone that serves or has served. Personally I would have tried to find her unit and send it up the chain of command. Im guessing she was just trying to get in for free.
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PO3 Nathan Barr
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I think it's important that we continue to instill a sense of pride and accomplishment to the junior members in the military. It is an honor to be able to wear that (or any) uniform in public, and it should be treated as such. I would have made a point to correct her in private, just as SMSgt Thomas suggests. I also, however, would have made a point to notify her chain of command so that they are aware of her lack of adherence to regulations as well as her insubordinate behavior.
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Cpl David Beck
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I agree with you SSG Robinsons with your assessment. As a older Marine Veteran I see the younger generation lack of respect on all avenues but a lot of this comes from there parents and she never respected the uniform in first place before she became a soldier and reflection of the uniform. To me it does not matter what you wear you have to understand what you stand for Army, Marines, etc.. it does not matter which service but the character of the body that inside it.
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SSG Robinson,
I might disagree with how you handled the situation, but you knowing that you could have handled the situation different is why I love wearing the uniform. With that being said I have been in your situation before. The best situation I can recall came when I was an NCO. I made an on the spot correction while I was out of uniform and identified myself as an NCO and the Soldier rolled his eyes and laughed. I handed him my ID card and said I want you to make sure you understand who your talking to(all said in a calm voice and for anyone who knows me it was very difficult to do). Soldier was with some friends and not sure if they were Army or not and was trying to save face. I said if your so big and bad what is your name and let me see your ID card if you don't give it to me I am calling post staff duty and I will physically hold you in place and have you placed in confinement for dis obeying an order. (Soldier had no idea I was pulling all of that out of my A**)Soldier showed me the ID card and he was an E4. I went home typed him in AKO contacted the unit 1SG explained the situation and she asked me if I wouldn't mind coming by the unit. With all of that being said the Soldier was reprimanded for his actions. I tell you all of this to tell you to stay engaged! You may have to remove yourself from the situation but there are still other ways to make corrections even if they are not done on the spot. When that Soldier saw me monday afternoon next to his 1SG the look of panic was priceless. Get the name and follow up with the unit, use AKO use social media. I am not saying be an internet stalker, but find out who they belong too is not hard.
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CWO4 Rob Wallace
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Look, I don't want to be disrespectful to anyone on this entirely too long of a thread on how a nasty soldier does whatever she wants..... well here it goes. If a career service member has to take to the internet to seek advice on how to properly uphold military traditions then maybe that individual need not wear the uniform any longer. We as leaders can blame the X-Box generation all day long for the disrespect and do what I want attitude but we have been entrusted to take control of the situation and mold leaders of the future, regardless of the environment. It is obvious to me that this young SPC has had weak leadership and has been allowed to think that she can get away with it. So, maybe this thread should more about the lack of intestinal fortitude to handle a subordinate rather than the female soldier.
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SGT Transportation Management Coordinator
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Old NCO of mine had a favorite saying. "If you fail to make an on the spot correction, you just created a new standard"
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SFC D Brown
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Can't correct stupid ! And when she rolled her eyes you knew you were in an uphill battle because she has never had a real NCO jump in her 4th point of contact!
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I think that's the problem with leaders today. First, you are a soldier 24/7, but never more so then when wearing your uniform in public. Especially state side. Any soldier should understand that, any it is your responsibility as a leader to ensure that happens. The simple discipline to wear a uniform properly when in public, as a representation of your unit and the military, is not a hard thing to accomplish, especially in this case. Second, correcting a soldier does not have to be an embarrassing ordeal for anyone. A simple you need to fix yourself will usually work. If it doesnt, the you ask for their 1SG. There are plenty of ways to get the job done, but doing nothing because you are afraid of a little confrontation is probably worse than her being out of uniform at the movies.
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SGT Ammunition Specialist
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Start by saying I'm Sgt _____\ I need a word with you for a second please show her you ID and say when you are in uniform you represent the entire US armed forces, the nations finest you must always represent your self in a military manor even if you think no one is watching. There are veterans all around you all the time that wore that uniform before you and they would never disrespect there uniform. 2) regulation aren't suggestions they are standards that must be adhired to. 3) when off duty she shouldn't have been wearing her uniform to a movie theater in the first place. 4) I would have asked for her unit and found out her 1sg emailed the photo of the soldier and described the attitude given also.
NCO Backbone!!! Enforce the standard!!!
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