Posted on Aug 11, 2014
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Deniability seems to be how this administrations deals with situations that don't bode well with their ideas, actions and decisions. I suppose if you fire enough generals you can find one that agrees with you. Then you can blame them for the decision to leave. IMHO! But if this administration is not to blame who is?
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LCpl Steve Wininger
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It is funny that Obama campaigned on a promise to end the Iraq war, even as a senator, he was trying to stop the war. When the last troops were pulled out of Iraq, Obama claimed all responsibility because everything appeared fine at the time.

Fast forward a few years and now it appears that pulling out could have been a mistake. So, in his usual, I will blame Bush style, he blames the Iraqi government for our troops having to leave.

I read several articles yesterday and learned that there is only a half truth to the story being circulated that claims it was the Iraqi government that wanted us out. The administration dropped the ball on negotiations. The Iraqi government was willing to work with the US, but the administration seemed to ignore them. IMHO, the administration did not want to negotiate, thus giving them a future excuse.

The trend of this current administration has always been to blame someone else when things go wrong, and except credit when they go right. And when things go from good to bad, create a diversion, the American people have a short memory.

Lastly, it is easy to deceive many when you fire people that disagree with you, just so you can get someone into a position of authority that will agree, regardless of how crazy the claims are.
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Funny you guys mention military experience. What type of leadership skills and military service did GWB have?
How can you blame 70% of casualties on President Obama? How can you blame the Iraq situation on ONE person? You want to point fingers, at least start at the beginning.
I believe the purpose was for the US to liberate the Iraqi people and they will be happy for democracy and then train them to defend themselves. How long do we need troops over there to train these people to stand up for THEIR country?
We leave, they fail and now its the POTUS fault? Come on man.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
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SGT Jinger Jarrett Bravo. Very well said!
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LCpl Steve Wininger
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Thank you. Semper Fi.
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MSgt Keith Hebert
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hit the nail on the the head SGT Jarrett could not have said it better
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I'm not interested in blaming someone for what they would, should, or could have done to make the current situation come out differently. That is what history books and memoirs are for. However, I am VERY interested in what our leaders plan on doing to address this problem. We find ourselves in a shooting war again people. Those ISIL muldoons are some very bad customers; so radical even Al Qaeda threw them out. Now they have resources and are attacking everyone in the area to establish an Islamic state. Basically, the worst case scenario is playing out.
Regardless of what you think of GWB or BHO, there are some tough decisions ahead and we in the profession of arms may well have to ruck up again. I'll bet both of them would like a mulligan on some of their decision-making. That said, I hope the President gets this one right. This problem has the potential to disrupt the entire region.

Oh yes. On the original premise of "It was not my decision". The most absurd comment possible in this situation. He is the Commander-in-Chief. He can launch nuclear missiles whenever he wants. To say that "oh, well. The pieces are in motion. Nothing I can do about it." Is preposterous. Lest we forget, it was a full TWO YEARS after the election that we pulled out of Iraq. Ample time to figure out what you want to do and implement it. Except he already knew. He'd been saying it for over four years prior to sitting in the Oval Office. He made the decisions he made. He should own them.
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1SG (Join to see) You make very valid points. Folks better get their head out of the sand. Because you can't just ignore this fanatical group and hope they go away.
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Working on an assignment for SGM Academy, I had to read a case study written in 2011 on how the change in strategy in 2007-10 won the war. Having been in Baqubah during the surge, I had a front-row seat. I look forward to hearing the grade in my paper. Let's just say I felt their conclusions in the case study were a bit premature.
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I can understand what you're saying SGM. However, I think the point of asking these questions is to point culpability for bad choices back at the one man in this country that is ultimately responsible for our foreign policy, among other things.

The other piece of this is that we have a president who's entire world view is seen through a political kaleidoscope. His decisions are based solely on power gain and not the general welfare of the citizens of this country.

I believe that what we are seeing is the culmination of 6 years of willful negligence. These things are important for our nation moving forward. Especially if we want to fix the disaster of the last 6 years.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Rye.... ;o)
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MSgt Keith Hebert
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the same way you blame a ceo for company losing profits.
The POTUS is the man in charge and everything(that means everything) is on his shoulders.
when accept the job you accept the respnsibilities
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The Iraqis were indeed willing to extend the Bilateral Security Agreement (BSA)/SOFA - as long as all US military personnel were subject to Iraqi courts. The previous Administration balked (correctly, IMO) at that position and therefore signed an agreement that only went through 2011. The current Administration had no more success than the previous one on getting the Iraqis to budge. This time the Iraqis were not willing to extend the troop presence so it was either their way (US military personnel subject to Iraqi courts) or leave the country. And those of here would have done what?
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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I agree MSgt Keith Hebert, but that means one is responsible for rooting out and solving the problems. Unlike the NFL and the VA, IMHO, you can't go straight to the top banana and demand their immediate resignation as it's not going to immediately solve the problem - may make a lot of people feel good though.
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President Obama: Pulling all U.S. troops out of Iraq was not 'my decision'
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Why is anyone at all surprised by this President changing his tune and denying anything. His supporters do not remember anything unless it is the promises he makes to them for free things. People who remember and point put his errors are not allowed to ask questions at future press briefings, so reporters do not report, they play the game.
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Thank you SSG Andres Redondo. Just goes to show that BOTH sides are a bunch of liars and they pass the blame back and forth and no one excepts responsiblity. BOTH parites are full of crap. I just dont see how people pick political sides when the both feed the people the same crap year in and year out.
Americans always trying to find someone to blame when this country been going down hill for years
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SFC (Join to see) IMHO the reason this thread got a little extra attention is that it appears you are/were defending the current administration and passing blame onto bush. Both have made mistakes. When I see someone defending the current administration when they are every bit as bad as the previous, I see bias at play. Party is the problem, but PEOPLE still pick sides. And until people start calling out bad behavior, I'll assume they are biased and/or unwilling to find fault with their current party affiliation. I'll leave with a quote I've posted before

"The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty." - George Washington, 1796
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Cpl Kirk Sain - the article you posted "proving" that Saddam had WMD specifically states "Before the invastion, the weapons at Muthanna had been found by UN inspectors but were dismantled with chemical stocks militarily useless and closed off in bunkers." The question in 2003 was not whether Saddam at some point in the past had possessed WMD (we knew that - we helped him target his weapons more effectively in the Iran-Iraq War), but rather whether he had active stocks in 2003. The Dilfer Report was pretty unequivocal on the point - no, he did not.
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SCPO (Join to see) If that's the case, I would agree with you. However, the article also states that the chemical weapons production facility "contains a stockpile of old chemical weapon."

It doesn't say inert, just that they are old. The chemicals whether in a delivery mechanism or not can still be used. Saddam played some major shell games with the weapons inspectors by delaying entry to some or most facilities. The congress voted to invade Iraq prior to the invasion based on the intel at the time which appeared, by all intent, to be accurate. Was that stockpile under one of the shells offered to the inspectors?
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MSgt (Join to see) I agree and sadly no one can hold him accountable. LCpl Steve Wininger SPC Charles Brown MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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LCpl Steve Wininger
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SSgt (Join to see) All good things eventually come to an end. I am certain many thought the same way about Hitler and Saddam, look where they ended up.

The truth does have a way of finding it's way out of darkness. Eventually he will run out of lies to cover lies, and people will wake up. I just pray it is soon. Our country is going down hill fast.
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Sgt Adan Olid
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Lets call a spade a spade here. The last two administrations have plenty of blame to accept on the wars. Bashing the current administration makes you just as much buying into the rhetoric as it is to remove the blame from Bush.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Sgt Adan Olid, nothing is going to change as long as we have presidents who are more worried about campaigning and getting re-elected than LEADING and getting things done. Sometimes the right thing to do is what gets you not re-elected.
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SSG Pete Fleming
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I have said this before and I will say it again, forget Iraq... Let's put all this energy into fixing America. There are 200 nations in this world, at 50 least are of a level to police the world. We have oil and resources at home. Let's cut ties with all these third world countries that only love us for our money and spend it at home where it is needed. If the Middle East refuses to take responsibility for itself, how is that our fault? Everyone wishes to point fingers... Then point fingers at the UK and France for drawing the imaginary line in the sand of the modern map. Blame the Turks for the creation of the Ottoman empire. Blame climate change for making it the world's largest litter box... who really cares. Right now inside of the US we have more murders, rapes, thefts, property damage... than Iraq has but no one seems to want to fix it. So why care so much about some place no normal person will ever see? The greatest threat to America is not some desert rat with a dirty bomb, it is the American people who, like the Iraqis won't take responsibility and fix what needs to be fixed... why are we trying to rebuild all these other places? Is it so then they will help us? Screw them. We gave them the tools needed... they need to fix it. Just like we need to fix our own nation.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
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SSG Pete Fleming I really wish I could say I totally agree with you. We do have a lot of issues here at home that need to be fixed. I do not see that happening under current administration and Congress, however.

Sadly, I believe we cannot ignore Iraq at this time do to the level of threat a terrorist state could be to the United States.

I believe we need to help the Iraqi people, but not with boots on the ground at this time. Sadly, our infamous leader is leading from behind once again. They had the intel, why didn't they plan for what was happening and prevent this to begin with.

The first order of business at home, is to secure our borders. It is a national security threat, and is an open invitation to attack. I am curious as to how many terrorists have bypassed airport security via the Mexican border?
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SFC William "Bill" Moore
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SFC Demond Thomas, I do agree with you on ALL of the more recent administrations having misled and down right lied to the American people. However most have bellied up to the bar and assumed responsibility for the actions or lack there of. When I hear someone state that the current President is doing his job, or doing his best, I stand in absolute awe of the ignorance the American people actually know about their Presidents responsibilities. If his job is being a jet setting vacationer and campaign trail whore, then yes you are right. For those that say he is doing his best, heaven help us! He is doing his best at circumventing as many laws and rights as he can to drive a wedge between the people. His cabinet is full of folks that I would not hire as farm hands (Holder, Kerry). And, his policies have been the weakest we have had since Carter.
These policies or lack of policies are going to extend our involvement in the Middle East, taking the nations focus off of what should be at the forefront, Jobs, Border Security and the growth of our economic influence world wide.
He just boasted about how America is MUCH safer now than when he took office! Safer for who? Illegal aliens, common thugs that end up on the wrong end of the law, entitlement handout hounds that's who! Doing his job?!? I don't think so.
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Funny.

Why were we there in the first place? Thats another topic for another time. In my opinion we needed to pull out of either Iraq or Afghanistan. The Army could not maintain that battle rhythm. It was putting alot of stress on Soldiers and families. The Army had to lower standards on everything just to keep up the man power to sustain these depolyments. All for what?
Personally Im glad we left, professionally we shoudnt have left because any person with any type of military training could see they (iraq) was not ready to protect themselves. The military looked like a rag bag bunch of Iraqis thrown together with no common goal. Im not going to get into all of that right now.
Hindsight is 20/20 but while we were drawing down there was very few people, media, disagreeing with this plan.
All these Presidential administrations deny, lie, cheat, and do whatever they need to do to keep their jobs. Let me change that to 99.9% of politicians deny, lie cheat and steal. So why are we concerned that the POTUS said it wasnt his idea to pull out? What about a former POTUS declaring mission complete?
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As LCpl Steve Wininger stated above "This POTUS had made it an art form".
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Nope..they ALL make it an art form. Political parties crack me up. They both do the same thing....NOTHING and yet people still take sides lol
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I would say we're far more stressed now than we ever were during the height of having 2 wars. But yes, this too is a story for another time. I can't personally blame any one person for the vents of Iraq; not even President Obama. I'm more upset about campaigning for, claiming credit for, and then denying the ability to make such a decision as the Iraq Withdrawal. This fact is not lightened by the realization that all politicians are guilty of such acts.
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He can always deny and look better, isn't that what politicians do blame their advisors and fire them.
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Thats what ALL politicians do. Why do people act like this POTUS is the first one to make mistakes, fire people, increase debt, not provide enough jobs, send people to war, lie, try to save face and every other thing you accuse this POTUS of doing.
They all do it.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
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SFC Thomas, no one is saying the other presidents do not make mistakes. What I am saying, is this one has yet to accept responsibility for anything gone wrong. Yes it is Bush's fault the war started, but by Obama's own admission HE alone successfully ended the war in Iraq. Now that he is facing heat for it, he is once again back peddling and trying to blame someone else for the failure.

Frankly, I have read all your posts on this thread, and they all sound just like responses from the liberal lefts book of denials.

This man has been president for six years, it is time for him to man up and start owning some of his mistakes.

If your only argument for the current POTUS is to blame everyone else, then you have no credibility.
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Exactly! Step up and except responsibility for your decisions and actions. Your credibly goes out the window ignoring your responsibilities. IMHO this administration has lied and covered up as bad as Nixon. If you don't believe that read what Watergate was about. Does the IRS ring any bells, it was part of it.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
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MSgt (Join to see) Excellent points!
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But bombing ISIS was...
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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The "legitimate" version of the "Teflon don" MSgt Allan Folsom
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SSG Maurice P.
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He is an idiot...Affirmative action is a bitch its biting us in the ass after what 40 plus years....
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That was his WHOLE campaign. And thats how this administration works. Take credit when things go well, blame Bush and others when things go bad
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CPT Ahmed Faried
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You do realize you are still Active Duty right? Be a little bit more circumspect in your partisan attacks especially while you are still in and while he is still the President.
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There is nothing wrong with his post. Yes he is actively severing but it is not that derogatory. He's just stating a truthful opinion.
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CPT Ahmed Faried Are you going to report him to Obama?????
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