Posted on Apr 16, 2019
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Backstory: Soldier went in country (Iraq) for 6 days and went back to Kuwait. He now feels entitled to be able to wear a "combat patch" (his words not mine). Regulation states must be 30 days in country (combat zone; not Kuwait anymore) to qualify for a deployment patch.

((UPDATE)): I just learned from several people AR 670-1 has been updated to reflect that the amount of days boots on ground no longer matters. Most up-to-date AR 670-1 states:

"The military operation must have lasted for a period of 30 days or longer" (i.e. OIF, OIR, etc...)

"Soldiers of all Army components (Active, ARNG, and USAR) who deploy during periods of service designated for wear of the SSI–FWTS are authorized to wear a SSI–FWTS. There are no time-in-theater requirements for authoriza-tion to wear the SSI–FWTS. Soldiers may not earn more than one SSI–FWTS during the same deployment."

The Soldier can wear his deployment patch and I already let him know I made a mistake. Leaders make mistakes but it's how we fix or respond to those mistakes that matter. Good learning experience. Thank you to everyone who provided constructive feedback.
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If you read the entire section 21-17 of AR 670-1 paragraph 7 states “Soldiers of all Army components (Active, ARNG, and USAR) who deploy during periods of service designated for wear of the SSI-FWTS are authorized to wear a SSI-FWTS. There are no time-in-theater requirements for authorization to wear the SSI-FWTS. Soldiers may not earn more than one SSI-FWTS during the same deployment.
(a) A deployed unit (company or higher) will wear its unit SSI as the SSI-FWTS, regardless of the headquarters element deploying and the unit alignment or OPCON during the period of deployment.
(b) A deployed unit will not wear its assigned SSI as its SSI-FWTS when the SSI belongs to A major command.

So, if they served in a unit even one day in support of a named operation they rate to wear the patch.
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We're all tracking now. We learned the same thing recently with the new updates to AR 670-1. Good to keep updated on these regs. Thanks!
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WO1 Ierw Student
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That soldier is entitled to a combat patch as dumb as it sounds. All you need to do is spend at least one day in country. The old school way would be wait 30 days and have a patching ceremony. However, the last 2 deployments after the first day you’re entitled to it.
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SGM Bill Frazer
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Bottom line- IF he is authorized it there will be a paper trail on it. Either unit orders or a Memo signed by the appropriate CDR. He doesn't produce it- you drag his 4th POC to his 1SG/CO and ask for UMCJ action. Anybody in this role would normally keep a copy of this on/with them to stop getting in Trouble.
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Negative SGM, that depends on the unit. Plenty of Soldiers got patches w/o documentation. There is no universal standard. Some units just stick them on, some write it up. I've heard others say the memos are more of a Guard/Reserve thing.
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SGM Bill Frazer
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1LT (Join to see) 82nd,75RGR,XVIII corps all issued unit orders coving the award of Combat pstches.
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1LT Human Resources Officer
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SGM Bill Frazer - Roger. There is no dispute to that. What I am saying is that there is no universal standard for what units do to award the patch. Some have memos, some have orders, some have nothing. I'm speaking more in regards to the fact a young Soldier may have nothing and yet be eligible to wear the patch without knowing where to find the proof or if they have proof at all. I've seen a Soldier trying to wear a patch with no proof and they only received authorization because another Soldier was able to provide proof and they were together.
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SSG Carlos Madden
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Aren't we supposed to have a memorandum made authorizing a patch? Can he provide this memorandum?

"Yes." Carry on.
"No" Please step into my office and close the door behind you....
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Memorandums were sometimes given out, and sometimes not (I have only two such memos for multiple deployments since 2003, but was told I was authorized many more patches, and even given them in ceremonies). For an active duty unit deploying as a unit, this is not a problem as a record of their deployment exists. However, for reservists and individual augmentees, this creates a problem because they are often given a combat patch with no documentation to prove it. Sure, there should be orders and a DD-214 proving their combat service, but more often than not they have their home units listed and get attached/OPCON in-country.
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There is no regulatory requirement to provide a memorandum authorizing a patch. However, the SM's personnel file should support the wear of it. I'd look at their assignment history/overseas tour data. It shouldn't be too hard to determine if they spent the necessary time in a combat zone to warrant it.
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Its not about that for reservists sir. I am merely one example, but know many reserve/national guard soldiers that were attached to active duty units in-country, and told they qualify for their combat patch (and given to them) with absolutely no documentation as their DD-214 after the deployment (as well as their orders) only reflect their reserve/guard unit. There may very well be (in at least some of those circumstances) orders/unit orders showing they were attached, but many times those Soldiers are not given copies of those orders. For instance, one of my first tours in Iraq I was attached to the 82nd Airborne, and many others from my home unit were later attached to the 1st CAV. There is no record of it that we can find even though in-country we were given that as a combat patch in a ceremony with the rest of our active duty counter-parts. Its the primary reason why I never wear those as a combat patch, because I cannot prove it. In contrast though, two of the units I was attached to/deployed with in other activations provided me with "Statements of Wartime Service" which were iPERMed for me giving me documentation. And another I actually have TCS orders for. Maybe things have gotten better because those were later deployments though.
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Travel voucher...receiving IDP proves your time in country. I've seen a BDE SOP where you have to get IDP to be authorized a patch.
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CSM Tony Simpson
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That patch must come off....there is no discussion....this is easily resoled as stated in your message....that’s why we have REGULATIONS.
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Edited 5 y ago
Well done! In my 28years in, I don't think any person that outranked me ever said he was wrong about something.
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CPT Lawrence Cichelli
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I know an O-6 that got kicked out of the Army for that. A 3-star corrected him and the O-6 got caught again by the same LTG. Well he got what he deserved.
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MSG Thomas Currie
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This update is a great example of the often ignored principle - MAKE DAMN SURE YOU ARE 100% RIGHT BEFORE CORRECTING OTHERS.

One thing I notice is that there are far more NCOs here who will talk about the need to make on the spot corrections compared to the number of NCOs actually making those corrections in real life.

Among those who DO make "on the spot corrections" my experience of being "corrected" or having one of my soldiers "corrected" was that way too many people making on the spot corrections are just plain wrong and almost no one making an on-the-spot-correction is able to cite the regulation they think they are enforcing.
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That is not the regulation.
Regulation states:
(7) Soldiers of all Army components (Active, ARNG, and USAR) who deploy during periods of service designated for wear of the SSI-FWTS are authorized to wear a SSI-FWTS. There are no time-in-theater requirements for authorization to wear the SSI-FWTS. Soldiers may not earn more than one SSI-FWTS during the same deployment.
Ref: AR 670-1 para 21-17e(7)

The operation has to last 30 days (with exceptions) but the time in theater has no minimum.
Having said that, I would give him plenty of razzing for wearing a combat patch for his tour of 6 days in Iraq. I wouldn't wear it for that.
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Beside from the unit memo, each solider should receive a memo authorizing wear. I have my in my personal records binder at my house.

(side note) We had an active guy come from 3rd ID and had their patch due to a previous deployment. During that previous deployment he worked with SF alot and did have a memo authorizing the wear of the SF patch. He lost the memo and never wore the patch because he could no longer prove the wear. Major integrity check on his part.
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