Posted on Jul 12, 2015
Recent study finds that more guns does not lead to less crime. What are your thoughts on the issue?
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A high-profile shooting, like the June 17 crime that left dead nine members of a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, is typically followed by calls for greater gun control, along with counter arguments that the best way to stop gun crimes is with more guns.
"The one thing that would have at least ameliorated the horrible situation in Charleston would have been that if somebody in that prayer meeting had a conceal carry or there had been either an off-duty policeman or an on-duty policeman, somebody with the legal authority to carry a firearm and could have stopped the shooter," presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said in a Fox News interview on June 19.
A new study, however, throws cold water on the idea that a well-armed populace deters criminals or prevents murders. Instead, higher ownership of guns in a state is linked to more firearm robberies, more firearm assaults and more homicide in general.
"We found no support for the hypothesis that owning more guns leads to a drop or a reduction in violent crime," said study researcher Michael Monuteaux, an epidemiologist and professor of pediatrics at Harvard Medical School. "Instead, we found the opposite."
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/guns-dont-deter-crime-study-finds/ar-AAcDdis
"The one thing that would have at least ameliorated the horrible situation in Charleston would have been that if somebody in that prayer meeting had a conceal carry or there had been either an off-duty policeman or an on-duty policeman, somebody with the legal authority to carry a firearm and could have stopped the shooter," presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said in a Fox News interview on June 19.
A new study, however, throws cold water on the idea that a well-armed populace deters criminals or prevents murders. Instead, higher ownership of guns in a state is linked to more firearm robberies, more firearm assaults and more homicide in general.
"We found no support for the hypothesis that owning more guns leads to a drop or a reduction in violent crime," said study researcher Michael Monuteaux, an epidemiologist and professor of pediatrics at Harvard Medical School. "Instead, we found the opposite."
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/guns-dont-deter-crime-study-finds/ar-AAcDdis
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The only people that are interested in removing weapons from the possession of law abiding, non criminal, non murdering US citizens are the politicians that are puppets of the communists that are controlling the US Oral office today. When corruption rules so does censorship and the effort to remove the tools of maintaining a free society. Anything anti gun that is published in the USA comes from the communists and those criminals in this country that want to control without dealing with push back that can negate their efforts. When you have time you might wish to see if there are serious efforts in our grade schools to frighten children into thinking that unarmed citizens are happy freedom loving carefree souls. Oh and the lies, try on the load of manure that came out of China after Tiamniman Squares.. easy to mask the murder of citizens when the suppression is complete. Remember that mao failed to make the adults into easy converts to communism that is when he struck on the idea of indoctrinating the children.
All that is required is patience to allow the indoctrination to fully envelope 3 or four successive years of graduates... Why in the USA the infection of communism has been ongoing since the 1950s. Stalin promised destruction from the inside... looks like we are going to deal with commies that look a lot different that they did in 1970, but, on the up side, we do not have to fly 13,000 miles one way to remove the threat, just drive downtown, they are everywhere ..
All that is required is patience to allow the indoctrination to fully envelope 3 or four successive years of graduates... Why in the USA the infection of communism has been ongoing since the 1950s. Stalin promised destruction from the inside... looks like we are going to deal with commies that look a lot different that they did in 1970, but, on the up side, we do not have to fly 13,000 miles one way to remove the threat, just drive downtown, they are everywhere ..
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PO3 Edward Riddle
PV2 Larry Sellnow - What is bs about this? I don't expect an answer because you can't invent one.
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a fake study, just like the "fact checkers "over the past three years have been commiie rats saying just what the leftist puppet controllers want the children to hear .. that way the women and children are suitably frightened and when interviewed they same the same thing as the "new study" paid for by the commies ..
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PO3 Edward Riddle
PV2 Larry Sellnow - What are you smoking or drinking that makes you talk this way?
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PO3 Edward Riddle
PO3 Edward Riddle - I wonder who typed that for you. It's not all garbled. That's funny that you have me blocked. I must have touched a nerve, so you went back to your cave.
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Just because you are a supporter of the 2nd Amendment, it doesn't mean you are a denier of gun violence. Just because you want common sense gun laws, doesn't make you an anti-gun person. Every law should reflect the need, but too many people are screaming about their guns being taken. Anyone who is a responsible gun owner, knows that there are those who shouldn't have guns and that should be how to determine what guns are taken. Years of training and research went into the development/use of our weapons of war - even then we keep them secured. There should be a way to make sure that no one who is known to be volatile is able to aquire the gun legally, then all of the illegal guns would be easier to locate. I don't own a gun currently because I know that I would use it, but we're I to purchase one; it would be legal and it would be a hunting rifle or pistol. I know collectors that have M-16A1's and other former military issue weapons; none of them have ever allowed their weapons to even be touched by anyone unqualified...
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SPC Kent Laughlin
yes the command in Nam locked our weapons up in our hooches, the CSM would not answer my question of "what were we to do the next time chuck came through the wire.. Since we were grunts only when needed to be we were supposed to be like the stateside troops in a non combat situation ... weapons in a locked rack..
orders no answers ..
orders no answers ..
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CPL T.A. Nelson
SPC Kent Laughlin Aside from our M16s, all secured shelters had a weapon available. It was a standard issue glock but I did have to brandish it once. Although the rules have been modified since your service, I do understand orders, no answers. Respect to you and all that served with you - my father served during Nam...
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The idea of more guns is right in theory but the recent incident at Uvalde, Texas demonstrates that armed people, even law enforcement, that aren't willing to use them in defense of themselves or others not only increase their danger but also help skew the data on firearm accidents and crime prevention. I usually poll new permit students if they are willing to actually use the firearm in defense of themselves or others or do they intend to just display an empty gun in an attempt to just shew the assailant away. My blood and Goar approach as well as describing the possible legal complications has been pretty effective in weeding out the "I bought a gun and now I'm safe" crowd. One training aid that I picked up in a training film once, proved very effective. New applicants are taken to the range before class begins where a large can of tomatoes were placed on a table with a cardboard screen on three sides. The can is then shot splattering its contents on the cardboard. Class sized is usually reduced at that point. Accident or intentional the results are the same.
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For some strange reason there is a belief that someone wants to take away your gun(s)! No one wants to take away your toy! But, reasonable control of weapons in our society is needed. The Brady bill was rather effective, but then again it was passed when St. Ronnie was shot and ended with the mass killing of kids!
Have you noticed that you have to pay a hefty car insurance bill but not a hefty gun insurance bill?
Have you noticed that you have to pay a hefty car insurance bill but not a hefty gun insurance bill?
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I would be interested in reading the study before condemning it. As long as we have a hodgepodge of state and local laws, the concept of one entity, be it city, county or state, ownership statistics fails to consider mobility. Oft cited Chicago gun violence fails to note the origin of the weapons. I sat on a Federal Grand Jury in California and invariably weapons used in cases we handled were either stolen or purchased out of state.
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Hello hot button issue. :) Sure if we got rid of 99.999% of guns in the country we would almost certainly have less gun crime. Are we going to do that? No, probably not. Instead we will do something to get rid of some types of guns, but many, many others will be just as available as now and nothing will be solved. There may be some minor increase in background checks, but likely still full of holes. The right will point to it and say "see, gun control doesn't work", the left will say, "well we didn't get rid of enough of them." The violence will continue.
Personally I think we have to acknowledge we want to live in a society with guns and have to think about solutions that minimize the "unwanted side effects" of that desire. I also think we need to be more targeted in what we want to achieve. In my mind the problem is in mass shootings, not as much general gun crime.
Personally I think we have to acknowledge we want to live in a society with guns and have to think about solutions that minimize the "unwanted side effects" of that desire. I also think we need to be more targeted in what we want to achieve. In my mind the problem is in mass shootings, not as much general gun crime.
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SPC Kevin Ford - I don't think it's true that we, "need a 60% majority to get this type of legislation passed in the Senate." The Veep is the deciding vote if there is a 50-50 tie, and that implies that a simple majority is sufficient.
However I venture to say that any legislation which can't get 60% probably shouldn't be passed in the first place. It's just another case of a vocal minority trying to force their ideas on the rest of us.
However I venture to say that any legislation which can't get 60% probably shouldn't be passed in the first place. It's just another case of a vocal minority trying to force their ideas on the rest of us.
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PV2 Larry Sellnow - Actually I'm fully aware of how people are able to obtain legal firearms even though they live in areas inhospitable to the 2nd Amendment.
The problem is, if it's really the fault of the guns, why isn't the murder rate just as high in those areas where the guns are legally sold? People who live in Chicago and want to be able to defend themselves will go wherever they have to in order to obtain guns.
And even Chicago is waking up, where Beetlejuice's love child was the first mayor to not get reelected in decades. Criminals are the problem. Illegally obtained guns are the problem. Lax law enforcement is the problem. Legally purchased guns are not the problem.
The problem is, if it's really the fault of the guns, why isn't the murder rate just as high in those areas where the guns are legally sold? People who live in Chicago and want to be able to defend themselves will go wherever they have to in order to obtain guns.
And even Chicago is waking up, where Beetlejuice's love child was the first mayor to not get reelected in decades. Criminals are the problem. Illegally obtained guns are the problem. Lax law enforcement is the problem. Legally purchased guns are not the problem.
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LTC David Stark
SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt - And Hunter Biden lied on his federal Form 4473 in order to obtain that firearm -- a federal crime. Now he is under federal indictment for that crime (and about damned time, too!). If it was any "common" person in the USA, that person would already be in prison.
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Remember, Liberals never learn. That's why in our history, it was Liberals who failed us, then got good people killed.
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SPC Kent Laughlin
reallly ?? the "different thought" in 1776 was the founding fathers USA ... not perfect, but the only one that offered what we have and it is still functioning, but the morons that are called progressives today are doing all they can to eliminate Free Speech alone is enough to ship them out.. but no they want those of us who work to adopt and raise fools that will not work, they are too busy chasing down their drug dealer to buy some more dope since their welfare check just came in ..
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SSgt James Kirkpatrick
PV2 Larry Sellnow - Incidents where a loaded firearm was dropped, and went off are incredibly rare. Statistically insignificant, and a design flaw.
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