Posted on Jul 12, 2015
GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
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A high-profile shooting, like the June 17 crime that left dead nine members of a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, is typically followed by calls for greater gun control, along with counter arguments that the best way to stop gun crimes is with more guns.

"The one thing that would have at least ameliorated the horrible situation in Charleston would have been that if somebody in that prayer meeting had a conceal carry or there had been either an off-duty policeman or an on-duty policeman, somebody with the legal authority to carry a firearm and could have stopped the shooter," presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said in a Fox News interview on June 19.

A new study, however, throws cold water on the idea that a well-armed populace deters criminals or prevents murders. Instead, higher ownership of guns in a state is linked to more firearm robberies, more firearm assaults and more homicide in general.

"We found no support for the hypothesis that owning more guns leads to a drop or a reduction in violent crime," said study researcher Michael Monuteaux, an epidemiologist and professor of pediatrics at Harvard Medical School. "Instead, we found the opposite."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/guns-dont-deter-crime-study-finds/ar-AAcDdis
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SGT Jimmy Moon
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If I'm carrying, I've got a chance to stop the scumbags from doing harm to me or mine. Liberals will find a study and try to make it sound legit. They probably conducted it in prison.
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Maj Joan Marine
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He's from Harvard what did you expect? I hear this BS from the "woke" left constantly. The SCOTUS has ruled that it's the Police are not there to protect the citizens of the US. I will defend myself and my own with a firearm. However, I have researched this topic numerous times and have found that when the populace is "required" to be armed (in small places in the US) crime drops rapidly! This shows that criminals are not stupid and only wish to hurt those who won't, "hurt them back". Schools and Churches are prime targets...ask yourself why...
I wish for all people in the USA to be armed if eligible (subtract those who are drug dependent and/or those with criminal background/psychosis) under current law. Those that want to murder or commit suicide will find a way to do harm to themselves or others.
The laws already on the books should be enforced (ya think!). Any law that doesn't prevent a criminal from obtaining a firearm is worthless to a lawfully armed Citizen.
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MSG Thomas Currie
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To answer your specific question: my first thought when seeing this study mentioned in a headline is that I can instantly tell the politics of the writer by whether they say the the study showed more guns does not lead to [less crime] or [more crime] -- I have seen articles using both versions of that headline, each of which are deliberately slanting the headline in the knowledge that most people will never even read the article and almost no one will read the study.

It is easier for headline writers to manipulate the story by talking about what the study did NOT show, because neither side wants to make a big deal about what the study did show.

What the study did show is that there is absolutely no relationship between the amount of guns and the amount of crime -- an outcome that doesn't suit the activists on either side since each likes to claim otherwise.
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SSG Bill McCoy
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Then explain how states with more concealed carry permits, have less crime. Explain how cities like Chicago, NYC and many in California with strict gun control laws, have more crime.
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SSG Bill McCoy
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LTC Eugene Chu logically, that's what one might conclude; except if one looks at those crime ridden cities' prosecution policies, early release of violent criminals and low or no bonds for felons, even heinous felons.
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SPC Brian Stephens
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Perhaps not but more guns give you a fighting chance against a home invasion by an armed intruder or a gang of malicious kids on a public transportation. It's a self-protection issue and about your right to protect yourself and your family and friends in an era of increasing lax police caused by weak mayors and governors, open borders, and rising crime.
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SGT Alan Simmons
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Articles like this miss the points. More gun control laws only disarm the law-abiding citizen. They do not disarm the criminal. They only add more charges to someone already determined to break the law. And once that person has determined they are going to kill someone, they will find a way - and yes, a gun is the easiest way. But there are other ways to kill - and with greater effect that are also illegal. And those laws don't stop people from using those techniques.

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SrA Art Siatkowsky
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Total bs study. Of course its a lefty study. More legal gun owners equals much less crime....or as this bs study suggest...more illegal guns like we see in Chicago equals more crime. Devil is in the details of the study. This is leftist propaganda.
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SSgt William Blanshan
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uses one incident that took place in a gun free zone. And from msn, to boot. they're a bunch of fascist fuckwads. My family didn't spill generatinos of blood so retards like them could lie to us and have us believe it.
ACTUAL studies prove conclusively that criminals won't dare a crime where they think they'll get shot. If you touch my guns, son, I'll wear your finger bones as a necklace.
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SSG James Knopp
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Everyone has a right to bear arms, whether it’s one or ten. Just because you have multitudes of firearms does not mean you have malicious intent. One of the best laws to pass is the “concealed carry permit”. If, and I don’t say this lightly, a law abiding citizen is properly trained and follows the law to the “T”, then it’s their constitutional right to CC. I’m not a fan though of open carry where one is in full display walking around like John Wayne looking for a gunfight. But, to each his own. Criminals would think twice about committing crimes against humanity because of not knowing if they would be on the receiving end of a FMJ. Not to mention those poor souls in these schools where properly trained teachers could of stopped the carnage or the club shootings that could or would of possibly been averted by taking out the perpetrator by a patron or door security.
Anti gun ownership people need to wake up and realize that if it wasn’t for pro gun advocates, this country would start becoming like the “Wild West”. You only hear negativity until someone close is a victim of crime. But I can’t say this enough, if you want to carry then put in the training.
“Train Like You Fight, Fight Like You Train”!
That being said, I believe their should be consequences for the Pharmaceutical companies and the doctors who peddle their pills whenever a senseless crime with a weapon becomes the focus on the nightly news. Investigate them and not the gun manufacturers. Anti gun ownerships only focus is taking our guns away,
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SSG Philip Evans
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One study out of many hundreds that say otherwise? It's not "the more guns you have",
It's putting guns into more citizens' hands that are willing to do what is necessary when evil happens! and believing in traditional "AMERICAN" values such as the U.S. Constitution! Sin Cain picked up the 1st rock and killed his brother, humanity was doomed live with murder! That is a human failing! We all need to try better! But... Taking away personal self-defense is not the answer! The answer is enforcing existing laws, punishing criminals to the fullest extent of the law, and if they kill again... Execute Them! In Public! Set An Example that others will fear! Firearms are tools just like many other tools. They have a purpose and a proper place to be used in society. People that have no respect or place no value in other people or human life ARE THE PROBLEM!
PUNISH AND ELIMINATE THE PROBLEM... NOT THE TOOL!
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