Posted on Jul 27, 2015
Rick Perry thinks allowing guns in movie theaters would stop shootings. What do you think?
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Presidnetial hopeful and former Gov. Rick Perry (R-Texas) has a solution for move theater shootings like the one Thursday night in Lafayette, Louisiana: Allow guns inside.
"I think that it makes a lot of sense to send a message across this country," Perry told Jake Tapper on CNN's State of the Union. "If we believe in the Second Amendment, and we believe in people's right to protect themselves and defend themselves, and their families."
In Louisiana, it's legal to carry a firearm without a permit, but the site of the shooting, like many theaters, enforces a ban on guns.
"I believe, with all my heart, that if you have the citizens who are well trained, and particularly in these places that are considered to be gun-free zones, that we can stop that type of activity, or stop it before there’s as many people that are impacted as what we saw in Lafayette," Perry said.
Or would this just kick off a 100 x 100 firefight in a theater?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/26/politics/rick-perry-gun-free-zones-movie-theaters/index.html
"I think that it makes a lot of sense to send a message across this country," Perry told Jake Tapper on CNN's State of the Union. "If we believe in the Second Amendment, and we believe in people's right to protect themselves and defend themselves, and their families."
In Louisiana, it's legal to carry a firearm without a permit, but the site of the shooting, like many theaters, enforces a ban on guns.
"I believe, with all my heart, that if you have the citizens who are well trained, and particularly in these places that are considered to be gun-free zones, that we can stop that type of activity, or stop it before there’s as many people that are impacted as what we saw in Lafayette," Perry said.
Or would this just kick off a 100 x 100 firefight in a theater?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/26/politics/rick-perry-gun-free-zones-movie-theaters/index.html
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"Gun free zones" are defense free zones. Two way gunfights always have lower body counts than one way gunfights.
I avoid areas where the right to bear arms is denied whenever possible. A fighting chance is all I ask.
The most egregious defense free zones are military facilities. In a tragically ironic twist. Maybe we should fix it. Maybe we should arm the Armed Forces. https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/arm-the-armed-forces
I avoid areas where the right to bear arms is denied whenever possible. A fighting chance is all I ask.
The most egregious defense free zones are military facilities. In a tragically ironic twist. Maybe we should fix it. Maybe we should arm the Armed Forces. https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/arm-the-armed-forces
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Hi, SPC Allbright.
The failure in Perry’s argument is “appropriately trained civilians” and “trained carriers.” He mentions each in the article. In my state, anyone 21 or over that passes a criminal background check, conducted by the FBI’s NICS branch, can legally purchase a gun from a federal firearms licensee, and get a concealed carry permit from their county of residence. By no means does their ability to obtain a gun suggest they’re appropriately trained to carry it, much less engage a hostile target. Everyone here knows that.
Engaging a hostile target. What others have said is correct. Engaging a target in a crowded, dark space that just went to Hell because of an active shooter is begging for trouble. But so will rushing the doors trying to get out. All you can do is shelter and secure in place.
Having said that, I carry mine concealed. If the theatre doesn’t want me to carry, then I don’t need to see the movie that much. After Aurora and now Louisiana, it’s just gotten that bad.
And Rick. Take your finger off the damn trigger.
The failure in Perry’s argument is “appropriately trained civilians” and “trained carriers.” He mentions each in the article. In my state, anyone 21 or over that passes a criminal background check, conducted by the FBI’s NICS branch, can legally purchase a gun from a federal firearms licensee, and get a concealed carry permit from their county of residence. By no means does their ability to obtain a gun suggest they’re appropriately trained to carry it, much less engage a hostile target. Everyone here knows that.
Engaging a hostile target. What others have said is correct. Engaging a target in a crowded, dark space that just went to Hell because of an active shooter is begging for trouble. But so will rushing the doors trying to get out. All you can do is shelter and secure in place.
Having said that, I carry mine concealed. If the theatre doesn’t want me to carry, then I don’t need to see the movie that much. After Aurora and now Louisiana, it’s just gotten that bad.
And Rick. Take your finger off the damn trigger.
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SSgt Aaron Kinnaman
i have to say, i am uneasy in theaters now... and it isn't because of lawful gun carriers!
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SSgt (Join to see)
SSgt Aaron Kinnaman , I was expecting follow-on attacks after Aurora. I did perimeter sweeps of the theatre the next time I went, looking for cars parked against exits, checked the exits in the theatre, and briefed those with me what to do if something went down. I try to be the first one in the theatre, so I can sum everyone else up in a bottleneck when the walk in. It's gotten ridiculous.
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And here we go again. Sure let's just allow guns everywhere, that will stop all the shootings, heck it might cure cancer too. No, this is a dumb idea. Have people not learned their lesson that people aren't careful enough sometimes with their own "protective firearms"? We saw the the two ADs by the civilians "guarding" the recruiting stations, so do people want to see an AD in a crowded theater?
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
I know what an AD is. If an AD would be bad enough, what about having 50 people intentionally firing?
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SGT Ben Keen
SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. - Oh okay, sorry I totally misread your comment. Yeah, ADs seem like nothing in the case you outlined.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
And when all these folks start running out of the theater with guns drawn how do the police stop the chaos, eliminate suspects and identify the shooter (if they are not already down)?
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Multiple people inside a dark room firing handguns sounds like a GREAT idea...
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I am reminded of the 2012 "mass shooting" in New York where 9 people were wounded by police shooting at the guy with the gun. There is no returning fire in a darkened theater full of running people. By the time you had a clear shot, it would be over.
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This mentality has been used before. "If we allow more people to carry guns in more places, we'll stop violent crimes." It's all a matter of timing and willingness to conceal carry. So far we haven't seen an incident where a concealed carrier has foiled a violent crime because no carriers where at or near the scene. I know there are many that carry but IMHO we would have to see a dramatic increase in carrying for enough people to be at the right place at the right time to foil a crime by throwing down. Will we get lucky some day and perhaps see this, I believe we will, but it will be pure luck of the draw (pun intended). Hopefully collateral casualties will be kept to a minimum as well.
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There are quite a few examples where a CC individual has stopped a violent killer. One close to me was the Trolley Square shooter in Salt Lake City, UT. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17124042/
Problem is you never heard about it in mainstream media as it flies in the face of gun control advocates. Guy had a backpack of ammunition and was shot almost immediately by an off duty cop. He was so drugged up it took 15 shots to bring him down, almost all of the fatalities were prior to the initial return fire.
The other prime argument for CC is most mass shooting occur in gun free zones, primarily due to the shooter's knowledge of the location and probability to inflict mass carnage without anyone being able to intervene. Will guns in a theater eliminate the occurrence absolutely not, will the severity be reduced no unless they happen to be in a clear line of site. But It is likely to reduce the amount of mass shootings in a theater if there is a stronger likelihood that the shooter will face resistance, they will either attempt a different approach to vent their frustration as we see in gun controlled countries, or choose a different venue such as a gun free elementary school.
Problem is you never heard about it in mainstream media as it flies in the face of gun control advocates. Guy had a backpack of ammunition and was shot almost immediately by an off duty cop. He was so drugged up it took 15 shots to bring him down, almost all of the fatalities were prior to the initial return fire.
The other prime argument for CC is most mass shooting occur in gun free zones, primarily due to the shooter's knowledge of the location and probability to inflict mass carnage without anyone being able to intervene. Will guns in a theater eliminate the occurrence absolutely not, will the severity be reduced no unless they happen to be in a clear line of site. But It is likely to reduce the amount of mass shootings in a theater if there is a stronger likelihood that the shooter will face resistance, they will either attempt a different approach to vent their frustration as we see in gun controlled countries, or choose a different venue such as a gun free elementary school.
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Banning guns will only create an environment of "safety" for those criminals intent on doing something bad, OR turning law abiding gun owners into criminals for refusing to go unarmed and giving up the right of self protection. I think that if you just leave it alone, let those that are credentialed to carry, carry. Everything will sort out in the wash. I don't think it will increase OR decrease incidence, but it WILL allow people the opportunity at self defense.
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Maj Chris Nelson
I didn't say this was a great answer. but it is the RIGHT answer. Unless EVERYONE has to go through airport type security with single point entry and NO way to enter the building from any other location to ensure security....that is the problem with "gun free zones"....no way to enforce the bad guys from getting in, and law abiding owners will either become a criminal and carry anyway OR they will dis-arm and become victims also....WISHING they had carried that day.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
Maj Chris Nelson What is your estimation of the competency and efficacy of the average "civilian" (as in "never served") concealed carry?
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Maj Chris Nelson
In many cases, I would say decent. Many people that carry are also into shooting sports. many states require course work to get CWL/CCL, but the level of the course varies from state to state. I would trust a military member MORE in most cases, but not 100%. I do feel that a responsible Concealed carry individual must go to the range to refresh every so often, even tho not required by the state.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Most individuals with CC permits are very competent, intelligent, and responsible. I haven't met too many crazies that actually conceal carry.
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Rick Perry is an idiot regarding not only this topic, and as a Republican presidential candidate. I'm a concealed carrier but would not engage in a crowded theater in darkness, however I would throw myself into a full blown tackle to render a assailant incapable of harming innocent women and children at any expense/cost.
You don't become a part of the nightmare by returning fire in this setting, for you may inadvertently hit an innocent bystander as well. Then you will be incarcerated as a part of that equation, and don't misunderstand I'm quite accurate in rounds meeting the intended part of the body ensuring you don't get up ! The answer is absolutely not !
You don't become a part of the nightmare by returning fire in this setting, for you may inadvertently hit an innocent bystander as well. Then you will be incarcerated as a part of that equation, and don't misunderstand I'm quite accurate in rounds meeting the intended part of the body ensuring you don't get up ! The answer is absolutely not !
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
Am I the only one who noticed that the idiot has his finger on the trigger?
With that said, this is a horrible idea. Yeah, criminals aren't going to obey laws but as everyone else has pointed out there are way too many possible bad outcomes of carrying guns in movie theaters.
Am I the only one who noticed that the idiot has his finger on the trigger?
With that said, this is a horrible idea. Yeah, criminals aren't going to obey laws but as everyone else has pointed out there are way too many possible bad outcomes of carrying guns in movie theaters.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
yup ... you need a finger on the trigger because you never know when the bad guy will pop up!
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