Posted on Mar 17, 2022
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I am serving a five year active duty contract, and want to know if I can do fifteen years reserves after my contract expires, and still retire at twenty years with a pension?
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If you retire in the reserves all you need is 20 years total but you can't pull you pension or get your health insurance until age 60. Now if you do any active time while on reserves they will use a formula and cut your time off age 60 but health insurance doesn't start until age 60. I pulled my retirement at 58 and 7 months. Not sure how they calculate because I had more time on active but it is what it is.
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SGT Robert Reid
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Yep I did total of 24 with a deployment for OIF 2003-04 and 12 active years another almost two years for schooling as well. HRC let me know I would be eligible at 55.
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You can retire after 15 years of service. I believe that was passed during the Obama area. I have Soldiers who retired after 15 years of military service, but they can not collect till after they reach age 60 years of age.
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LTC Curtis Madsen
LTC Curtis Madsen
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So the active time needed to be a specific order, doesn’t necessarily equate to time served overseas. I’ve got a friend that was credited for time supporting a mobilization station in addition to his deployment time. He began drawing his retirement at 56 vs 60.
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LTC Curtis Madsen - They have some sort of formula that calculates, time served in like 3 month increments or something like that. I know I had a total of 20 months mobilize active duty time but only got 1 year 3 months, so I started pulling my retired pay at 58 years and 9 months. Now this time has to be after jan 2008, because I had another 23 months before that but it did not count. There are sites you can call and then send copies of your DD214 etc and they will tell you have much time you can take off. I worked with the SFC at Ft. Knox.
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Ignoring the details it call comes down to your points. You get points for all sorts of duties. You get points for going to medical appointments, you get points for non duty on-line training (in 4 hour increments) you get points for funeral details ,you get points for coming in hand helping around the unit (change of command inventory).

GET THOSE POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Turn in your DA1380's for payment.
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CPO Kim Hanthorn
CPO Kim Hanthorn
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That is OUTSTANDING advice.
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MSG David Densmore
MSG David Densmore
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Check with your unit, and watch your records, some units aren’t good at adding points to your record when it’s not for pay.
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CW2 All Source Intelligence Technician
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...and if there isn't money available for pay (we've had issues this year), still submit the DA 1380 for points only.
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MAJ Allan Harrelson
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Giving the complications of switching from active duty to the reserves, why not just stay on active duty?

I went in at 17, did 24 years all active duty both as enlisted and as an officer and retired at the young age of 41, got full retirement immediately, and didn't have to worry about points, waiting until I was 60 to draw a pension.., etc etc.

Stay active if possible.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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MAJ Allan Harrelson - ...
I Think I'd Wager A Good Sized Bet, Which States
"If I'm NOT The Oldest Individual Here, I'm IN The TOP FIVE "..
At 79 on 06/29/23 ~
Put THAT Into Your Computer & The Answer You'd Receive
Would Probably State:
"He's 6 Years OLDER Than Dirt".
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MAJ Allan Harrelson
MAJ Allan Harrelson
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You're not getting older my friend, you're getting better!

2-2-0!

Second Infantry Division, Second To None!

Hooah!
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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~~~ GREAT To Hear Your Enthusiasm For Your Unit.~~~
A Friend I've Known Since The 7th Grade,Thomas W. Croff,
Served In Vietnam, 101st Airborne, Combat Division, In The Early 70's.
Tom Did 2 Tours & Returned With A Purple With A Cluster.
And Presently On 100% Disability....
I Was Never Deployed In Any Combat Zones And Quite Frankly,
I Still Feel Guilty Because, While Others Were In The Ditches,
Fighting In Vietnam; I Was Sitting On My-az In The Airman's Club,
At Osan AFB, S. Korea, Sucking Up Some Suds...Or Taking Trips To Japan, Just or Fun.
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MAJ Allan Harrelson
MAJ Allan Harrelson
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I sucked up a lot of Jinro Soju, beer, wine.., during my 3 tours in Korea, and probably suffer some kind of ailment today from it!

Speaking of Korea, I will be heading back over there this fall to visit a friend of mine who, with his Korean wife, bought a club over there.

I was over there in 2002, but at that time wasn't allowed to go in further north than Camp Casey, due to tensions with N. Korea; I understand now military retirees are allowed free access all over the country.

FYI: These days, the towns and villages around US military installations have Thai, Russian, Filipino, Japanese.., residents, most who work in the bars and clubs.

As Michael McDonald sang "These are ever changing times..."
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Can I serve fifteen years in the Reserves after my active duty contract expires, and still retire at twenty years with a pension?
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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One Of The GREAT Benefits Of The Reserves, They Actually Promote You Based On Your Proficiency ... When I Served 1961 - 1965, Promotions And Money Were Invisible Commodities..... And "YES" You Can Retire From The Reserves & Draw A Pension
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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Actually You also have to occupy a position that the higher rank is authorized on, there in NOT anything automatic and time in grade, time is service still applies. You must still qualify though required AFSC skill level upgrades, required career schools, ie: Leadership school, NCO Academy, Senior NCO Academy etc. the same requirements as active duty people. In some cases ECI or correspondence courses can be used instead of attendance at in residence courses as with active duty but completion Cannot be waivered. There is no such thing as an automatic promotion on proficiency or any other bypass or waiver. Retirement on 20 years if at least that was 20 or more years active duty service come the very day You retire but for Reserves or Guard not until You reach aged 60 do You collect any retirement pay.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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As You Stated:...", there in NOT anything automatic and time in grade",
Tell Me About It...LOL... Look At MY Grade....
Due To Various Reasons, I Spent Far More Years Working OUTSIDE Of My AFSC, Than IN SIDE Of It.......And Could NOT Be Promoted While NOT Employed In My A.F.S.C. ~
Due To Regulation; And The Regulations ARE Justifiable ~.No Issues Here.
..SO, I Spent 3 Of my 4 YEARS As An E-3 ~ LMAO...
"How Low Can Ya Go" .....(Remember The Limnbo?
Simply Based On Pay, I Couldn't Afford To Stay In The USAF
And They Couldn't Afford Me Either....My Civilian Life Was Fun & Profitable,
Thanks To So Many Business Programs Through USAFI... Previous To The USAF, I'd Quit Public Schools MID 9th Grade... Not A Nono-Second Of Regret.... In Fact, I'd Recommend It To Everyone. Because After 6th Grade, The Rest Is Waste Of Time Anyway,,
THINK For A Split Second: After The 6th GRADE..... What Did You Learn Which Made Any Difference In Your Life Or Employment Possibilities?...
Were You Actually QUALIFIED For Any Job, What-So-Ever?
I Know Of None, And Upon Becoming An Employer, I Had To Interview, Hire & Train These Fools .. Really.. Consider The 6 Years After 6th Grade.....AIN'T That A Bit*h?
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MSG Harvey Kane
MSG Harvey Kane
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Although the pay is nice what really matters is the medical benefit! It is worth at least $1,000 per month when adding in the pharmacy benefit. I retired as a MSG with some 22 years and receive $1200 per month and receive a COLA pay increase the years it is given. That along with the medical/pharmacy benefit for myself and wife I figure is worth about $3,000 per month! It pays to stay!!!!
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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MSG Harvey Kane - You also can receive dental care but that is a monthly amount of slightly over $100.00 You pay and it can be deducted right out of Your retirement pay. I do have the dental and it covers Me and MY dependents. (only My wife now remaining, the other are grown and too old to be under My plan anymore ) That doesn't fall under Tri Care but ALL the rest of Your health coverage does and is a very valuable thing to have. Add onto both my dental and Health plus retirement pay it's well worth while.
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MSG gave a complete answer as for points. CPT is correct, points count from education credits, funeral honor details and mobilization. Every 90 days of active duty is support of presidential recall rolls back your retirement date from age 60. ALSO, since it is a deferred retirement. You can buy back ANY active duty and mobilization time toward a Federal retirement. Therefore, you can double dip that time towards a second retirement. Secondly, apply for you VA disability upon separation from active duty, you can drill and receive disability pay. There is a payback each year, but recommended. Let's say you are 30% rated, approx 600 per month. You drill for 60 points over the year (= 2 months), you have to pay back the VA 1200 OF THE 7200, PLUS you keep your drill pay 6500-7000 annual drill pay (E5 > 4 years). Lastly, a huge benefit for being a reservist is the supplemented Tricare Reserve Select healthcare (for non-Federal employees).
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LtCol William Bentley
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Nice to see you again, Ted! Semper, Will
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MSG William Wold
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Ah also be sure you continue to drill past 20 years until they send you an official 20 year letter. I did 6 active and 25 Reserves, I actually didn’t get my 20 year letter untll I had almost 23 years.
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SFC Joseph Behmke
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If you do that your pension would be about the same as about 6 years of Active Duty. In the Reserves you are only required to do 2 weeks of AD a year(15y x 2w=30/52). You can go to schools, when available, volunteer for Advance Party duty or "Man Days" which are single days of Additional duty to perform some kind of job, work or training. The other option is to apply to enter the AGR program; Active Guard Reserve. You are on active duty, assigned to a reserve unit to insure deployability if the unit is called to AD; like during the Gulf Wars. Generally 76Y40/50, Trainers/Master Trainers, Unit Clerks, according to a units needs. Bn/Bde/Div HQ's are more diverse needing E7-E8's in all the S & G Sections (1-4). You are expected to be self motivated, stay physically fit and technically proficient. I know a soldier that did 3 yrs RA AD, 5 yrs in the Reserves, then 20 yrs more AD as an AGR; he gets about the same as 24 yrs AD. When you get 20 or more AD years you qualify for full pension and medical upon retirement. He says the bad part is you're seldom near a AD military Base as reserve units are located everywhere. Contact a local Reserve recruiter for the latest info.
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SSG Rob Lawrence
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I did 13 years active duty, but could not finish 20 years because my late wife developed a medical problem that was not comparable with my active duty career. I received a hardship discharge in my 13 year of active duty. Two years after I was released by the active duty army, my wife stabilized and I applied for a spot in the National Guard. I was accepted and because of the regulation requiring someone to do at least 8 years of reserve duty to qualify for a pension. I ended up doing at total of 8 years in the guard. I now collected a pension based on my active duty time of 13 years and my national guard time of 8 years. Basically, my answer to your question is YES you can do what you are contemplating, because I am living proof your idea is feasible.
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LtCol William Bentley
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That 8-year requirement isn't there any more. In theory, one could leave active duty with 19 years and 11 months, and spend one month in the reserves, and qualify for a reserve (non-regular) retirement. Not that that would be a good financial decision, but it COULD be done...Cheers,
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CPO Kim Hanthorn
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MSG did an OUTSTANDING job of answering. I had 11 years active and went into the Reserves. I retired out of the Naval Reserves as a CPO (E-7) with 25 years 6 months and 9 days. The key to the reserves is going on extra ATs (Active training/duty) and any other duty you can get orders for (in the Navy, Ships need Engineers, especially an MRC, and you get a point for every day your on orders. Getting orders was very easy for me). I did a year active duty in the Army (I was in the ARNG got activated in 2001) and did another year activation in the Naval Reserves. My civilian job payed me while I was on orders, so I did as many extra drills and any other thing I could get orders for (I was going to college also, and many times instructors will let you take your homework and test on line while on orders) In the end I retired with close to 6700 points (6772 to be exact, but I was ALWAYS gone, and divorced) I’m hoping with my active time in the Reserves it will knock some time off of my wait time for my retirement check. Remember to go to VA and register. I am service connected, and had to have several surgeries for injuries I had on active duty. I get any medications I need for “free” (It cost me 25 years) also. You should qualify if you have any medical issues acquired on active duty (you won’t need Military medical if you qualify for VA. 50% disability or more is the magic number, and Veterans Choice was a game changer THANK YOU PRESIDENT TRUMP). This is where I say keep up with your medical records, and make copies. I use my civilian medical (BlueShield) for my family, and I use VA for my self. Let me be very honest with you, IF you have 15 years of active duty, do the other 5 years. I got off of active duty because I went from making $18000 a year as a single E-5 to making over $100000.00 in the civilian world. I retired from the State of California as a Correctional Officer (as a California Correctional Officer making over a $100,000 is VERY EASY with overtime, and it’s NOT a choice). I loved being in the Military, but it DID NOT PAY THE BILLS, for me it was a money thing. My Military skills transferred very well to the civilian world. Make your decision wisely, because you may only get one shot to get it right. Good luck, and best wishes.
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