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I have been dealing with this a lot. I have seen both ways. As per AR 600–25 the junior person should salute. I see a 1LT senior to a 2LT and I salute them. I have seen many instances where this does not happen. Most see a LT as a LT regardless of being a 1st or 2nd. How do you all feel about this?
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
"B. All Army personnel in uniform are required to salute when they meet and recognize persons entitled to the salute. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of the Armed Forces of the United States..."
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Customs and Courtesies
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AR 600-25
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If the 1LT is your company commander, salute. That goes whether the person initiating the salute is a 2LT or a 1LT. As for a 2LT saluting other 1LTs, the majority of lieutenant positions in the Army are platoon leaders. They're doing the same job and learning the same things for career progression. It symbolizes being on the same level.
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LTC (Join to see)
Other than the chaplain or an LT who is your commander, assume you have common ground. Also, note that I wrote, "an LT who is your commander" - there could be, and have been, instances where a 2LT was in command (battlefields?) The other 2LTs should salute then.
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Holy Cow. This thing to 18000 views. That is insane. It only goes to show the importance of this question. Everyone wants to know.
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1LT Nick Kidwell
Meh. I'm a science teacher.
Now, if you were able to do this while urinating the chem-lite juice into an 1L empty water bottle while rappelling Australian style out of a Blackhawk? That would be pretty HOOAH.
Now, if you were able to do this while urinating the chem-lite juice into an 1L empty water bottle while rappelling Australian style out of a Blackhawk? That would be pretty HOOAH.
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1LT Nick Kidwell
CPT (Join to see) - Video or it didn't happen.
Make sure you call it necessary training in the risk assessment. Maybe the pilot's flight time will help it get approved.
Make sure you call it necessary training in the risk assessment. Maybe the pilot's flight time will help it get approved.
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I remember walking into the BN HQ a few days after I graduated BOLC. A 1LT was walking out and I saluted him. My BC was walking in behind me. He said, "y'all are both LTs knock that shit off". We both promptly saluted him and went about our business.
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I would take it one step further. As an example: when I was deployed forward with USCENTCOM, I was a CDR and my boss was a LTC, both O-5s. Even though he was uncomfortable with it, I saluted him...BECAUSE HE WAS MY BOSS. That said, we can't get ridiculous here. That was in garrison in Saudi Arabia. Conversely, when I took a team to Afghanistan, I insisted they remove the insignia on their covers and not salute, even though soldiers were saluting all over Bagram, INCLUDING in the HQ compound!!! How crazy is that! As far as anyone knew, we were government contractors and I was happy not be be saluted. The bottom line here is that we have to set an example, but it has to make sense. In some communities, naval aviation for instance, the custom is (or was) that O-2s did not salute O-3s, because they'd be saluting all day. I don't necessarily agree with it, but one has to understand both the military culture, the subculture, and the safety realities of your environment.
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LTC John Wilson
You always have to adapt, modify, and overcome any difficulties in areas of operation. I am not going to say use common sense, because those who salute under these conditions have no common sense.. Of the troops and always for the troops.
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holy heck CPT (Join to see) - over 600 comments? and you were worried this post would not get attention!? Good thing you fired and adjusted!
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The issue is one of the "book way" versus the "street way". Many 2Lts are good friends with their 1Lt comrades and that level of familiarity makes them uncomfortable with saluting one another. Really the question then becomes one of command climate. How much of a stickler is the boss?
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All Servicemembers must follow orders and regulations. You answered the question when you quoted the reg. YES
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CPT (Join to see)
This "untold" or "common understanding" is a miss on me. I will go with the reg like you stated.
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Indeed. I will milk this cash cow as long as I can. It has launched myself and some others into stardom.
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