Posted on Mar 11, 2015
Should a SPC stand at ease for a CPL? Should a MSG stand at ease for a 1SG? Should a SGM stand at ease for CSM?
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I am finding a lot of contention with the saluting post. I will now put on the level of enlisted soldiers now.
If you are in a company that has a MSG in it, like an HHC, would the MSG stand at parade rest for the 1SG. The 1SG is the senior most soldier in the company. Would this be the case for a OPS SGM and the BN CSM.
I know they are all the same pay grade but the duty position makes one the Senior and one the subordinate. If you think this is still not clear. Would a BN CSM stand at Parade Rest for a BDE CSM.
Would a SPC and a CPL be the same as they are in the same pay grade?
As with LTs they see themselves as peers but one is still senior to the other.
FM 7-21.13 para 4-16
• When speaking to or being addressed a noncommissioned officer of superior rank, stand at parade rest until ordered otherwise.
If you are in a company that has a MSG in it, like an HHC, would the MSG stand at parade rest for the 1SG. The 1SG is the senior most soldier in the company. Would this be the case for a OPS SGM and the BN CSM.
I know they are all the same pay grade but the duty position makes one the Senior and one the subordinate. If you think this is still not clear. Would a BN CSM stand at Parade Rest for a BDE CSM.
Would a SPC and a CPL be the same as they are in the same pay grade?
As with LTs they see themselves as peers but one is still senior to the other.
FM 7-21.13 para 4-16
• When speaking to or being addressed a noncommissioned officer of superior rank, stand at parade rest until ordered otherwise.
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They should stand at ease until the individual gives them permission to stop and relax. They are in the "position" of the "grade or position" part of customs and courtesies.
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Nnno. Different rank name, same pay grade. Army Captain salute a Navy Captain? Yyyes. Same rank name,different pay grade.
I don't know Army, but.. don't you only wear the diamond when actively in a 1SG billet? So won't there be points where a very senior MSG (who used to be a 1SG) can interact with a very junior 1SG?
As for the SPC/CPL thing... I still really don't "get it." I understand it conceptually, just not emotionally. Why the hell should two people get paid the same when one is doing less work.
Edit: Marine Corps is completely different. MSgt/MGySgt & 1stSgt/SgtMaj is separate promotion path, and don't cross back. We don't have SPCs so that part is moot for us.
As for the SPC/CPL thing... I still really don't "get it." I understand it conceptually, just not emotionally. Why the hell should two people get paid the same when one is doing less work.
Edit: Marine Corps is completely different. MSgt/MGySgt & 1stSgt/SgtMaj is separate promotion path, and don't cross back. We don't have SPCs so that part is moot for us.
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I agree..a Cpl does do less work then a Spc. They are "supervising". (a joke folks!)
I came up in Group. I remember getting to my unit as a PFC calling SSGs and SFCs by their first name. There was a guy who came there from big army who was a SPC and told me "Where I come from, a PFC stands at parade rest for a SPC". Being an 18-year-old shithead, I just laughed. I also informed him he was a leg. I think people develop a sense of when they should, but at that high of a rank (E-8/E-9) I guess it depends on the leader.
When I transferred to a normal unit as an E-5, I led from the front, set an example, and didn't usually make people stand at parade rest when being addressed.
When I transferred to a normal unit as an E-5, I led from the front, set an example, and didn't usually make people stand at parade rest when being addressed.
Hmmm, it depends - then again I'm most familiar with the Air Force. Stand at attention when giving a Reporting Statement, Parade Rest is reserved for formations almost exclusively, and all other times when addressing someone of any rank...maintain military bearing :)
Around troops, yes! Shows good order and discipline! When they're shooting the shit in their office about training slides, who cares...
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Sorry CSM Oldsen, I couldn't resist any longer, the question since the beginning of time had to be asked, eh.....