Should any aged service member be allowed to legally drink, at least on base?

Old enough to deploy to Iraq or Afghanistan, but never old enough to drink there.

You just got older Thomas. Happens to the best of us. ;)

I definitely agree their are some that should never drink, regardless of their age.

Let me make a comment on socialization and alcohol. I grew up in a rural area, predominately protestant, but outside of church and school functions, not a lot of other stuff to do (fish and hunt), so most high schooler drove fast cars, drank and smoked pot for recreation. Since there was no socialization in how to drink, they drank like their buddies did, to get hammered. Those are the same kids that join the Army. I thought that was just the way teens acted, until I hit Germany. As many of you here know, during the old Reforger's, Brigade TOC's were often set up in a Sportzplas (SP?), which is like a soccer version of a Little League complex here. The Germans didn't shut down when we were there, so if you didn't have duty, you could watch one of the games. I was watching one of the games, the teams would have been High School age, and afterwards one of the coaches brought out a crate that had a mix of beer and those weird Sobee kind of drinks that are popular in Germany. My first thought was that would have made my HS team a lot more interesting, but watching the kids, the great majority of them took soft drinks, a few grabbed a beer. One of the section sergeants had been watching the game too, so I asked if that would have been the response on his high school team, to which he said no, there would have been a riot getting to the beer. But he pointed out that these kids could go home, go to the Fridge, and drink a beer in front of mom and pop, or for that matter, stop at the store and buy a six pack. I seldom saw German teens out drunk and even at things like an Octoberfest, the rowdy drunks tend to be foreigner. So the moral to that story is that teens that are brought up to be responsible drinkers tend to remain responsible drinkers, those that learn from their teenage buddies may or may not.

I am aware that there are cultures that drinking to get hammered is socially acceptable, the Brits, Russians and the Japanese, as bad examples. But those that have a more social use of alcohol, the Germans, French, etc, seem to have a lot less problems with teenage drinking than we do.

The other comment I will make is that in the US, we tend to treat teenagers like they are 12 years old, then miraculously expect them to be responsible adults at 18.

SGT Tim. Wilson they are anyway.

When I was stationed in okinawa there were many restrictions on E3 and below that higher ranks (regardless of age) didn't have to abide by. Most of these restrictions were implemented because an E6 and above had done something stupid while drunk. E6 gets a DUI? E4 and under can't drive a pov. E7 caught with a minor? E3 and below get a curfew. On board the Pelileu in August of 2001 we had several grunts under 18. 6 months later they'd be fighting in the deserts of Pakistan but they couldn't buy a pack of smokes or a can of Copenhagen in the ships store. As and E3 aged 26 i could only but or possess a six pack in the barracks per day. But the E4 two doors down could have a case the day he turned 21. He hit E4 2 weeks after graduating his C school while my MOS was closed for 4 years. I had 3 years time in service and time in grade on him on top of 7 years life experience but he was an E4 so obviously he must be more responsible with his alcohol even before he can legally purchase it. Don't give me that crap about alcohol related incidents. Most of those happen out in town where young men and women are sneaking drinks. If the E clubs still served to all ages then many of those incidents would never have happened or could be handled with NJP rather than a page 11 entry since they had to be picked up from the local PD

I would agree with you if I could argue 21yo olds are any better than 18yo olds, but that is a tough argument to make. My medic is 22, and incredible soldier at work, and off duty, well he makes decisions like a 22 yo. I see you are an MP, you get to see as many or more stupid acts than I do in the ER. Insurance companies will agree with me males probably dont start to mature till at least 25 but if we raised everything to that, who would serve? We have to trust kids at some point with adult decisions and I really do not think 21 is any better than 18.

I don't care if it is 18 or 22, but we should be consistent. If you are old enough to be responsible with a grenade, you are old enough to have a drink. If you are responsible enough to yield the power of a vote (arguably the most powerful tool anyone has) you can handle a beer. Alcohol, being charged as an adult, being drafted, voting, etc. all require responsibility. If we are going to assign an age to it, it should be a consistent age.

Same time frame and the same place (2AD), but you could go to the club on post. Besides, why the hell would you want to go to the clubs in DT KIlleen? I was 19 when I was there too, but I had more sense than to even think about "becoming a DT Killeen Club Member! :-)

SP6 Guy Slater There you go - telling the truth about Texas!

In 1953, I was to dumb to realize that hitch-hiking out of Del Rio, TX at EENT was not smart.

Thankfully, the first ride, a car full of gay fellows did let me OUT when I demurred!

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Then alcohol should be banned for military personnel? In my time, I dealt with a lot of bar fights and let's not even talk about all the Oktoberfest's in Germany but very few underage beligerant drunks. My experience with those under 21 mostly dealt with smoking illegal substances.
The worst thing was I had a 1sgt at a stateside unit that everyday, like clockwork, he would send the CQ runner (usually underage) to the closest store to the unit, on base, to pick up his standing order of a case of beer and a pint. Sure a few of the admin NCOs would have a couple beers with him but he would drink most of that case by himself before driving home. He never got pulled for DUI and for some reason that still bothers me to this day! Even after being out almost 20 years.

Sorry, the point I meant to make was that the incidents with alcohol and the problems caused are not age restricted but I do believe, at least in my time, the reporting or actual getting pushed up the chain is rank or position restricted. Maybe not so much today, but ...