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Not all service Branches have equal standards for thier basic training, should each Armed Forces recruit face the same initial standards before the head off to their Military branches MOS school?
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No!
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Maj Chris Nelson
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While there are many similar needs between all branches of service, there are also some differences between all branches of service. So, let me pose a question to the question.... Is the marine Corps willing to give up the 10 weeks Basic Training AND give up the Crucible? Is the Navy willing to give up water training? Is the Army and Air Force willing to DO water training? Is the Air Force willing to do the high crawl/low crawl? I will answer this to some degree: Each branch has branch specific training requirements and/or traditions that they will not want to give up. Basic Training is also were each branch teaches their history (Long like the Army, Navy, MC, or short like AF). Unless you have some type of Basic Training that has "break out sessions" for branch specific training (ya, like THAT would work....) combining will not be an effective use of time, equipment, or funding.
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TSgt Thomas Monaghan
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we by the low crawl in the USAF for the record-lol
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TSgt Thomas Monaghan
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TSgt Thomas Monaghan - sorry typing error it should read "we do the low crawl in the USAF for the record" please disregard the above entry.
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MSgt David Haupt
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Yes and No. If it was the same until a certain point. Basic was a nine week program then on to branch specific course...then yes I can see that. With the Joint fighting now a days it would help. BUT No because every branch has different missions.
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Sgt Ed Beal
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I agree, although I was disappointed with AF basic not even getting to shoot a real M16 but a modified 22lr I realized we really could not use that skill so it made sense not to waste $ on the training but it was disappointing to me.
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They usually only do that in times of financial crisis. I believe in the mantra of "Train as You Fight" I do remember doing that in the very early eighties with the Army Reserve. I would be disappointed as well.
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Money spent in real training is money well spent....IMHO
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LTJG Richard Bruce
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Obvious answer is "Yes", but it may take years for the DOD services to meet the USCG standards.
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The thing is Richard....there would be only one adopted standard for all. Some will come up, some will come down...but same across the board. I just think the services are too resistant to change...not a new story for any large organization...takes a lot of work, persistence and patience...which Nobody is willing to do...It will take an absolutely amazing leader to make happen...which we will likely never see...IMHO
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SSG Edward Tilton
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No, there would be a lot of time wasted
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Could you expound on that a little?
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SGT Nodal Network Systems Operators/Maintainer
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This question has already been answered by the services. The answer was no.
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It would require a major Transformation....and Transformation is never easy, especially when you have Old Dogs running the show, with no vision for the future and set in their political ways. I believe it will have to change eventually.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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Basically; Basic Training is and should be the same with equal standards across services - make it the same to encourage equality in the uniformed services.
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CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana
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Much-appreciated Morris. We preach equality, yet only a few practice it; our law claims all are equal, yet treatment is with prejudice. Why preach, if we can't abide by our own words??
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SPC Donn Sinclair
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Everything the same? Robert Strange McNamara would be proud.
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Col Randy Hagan
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I think it's an interesting question -- and superficially would seem to make sense. However, SrA Vong's response is well put -- our Services use our training to impart our Services' individual values to our trainees in ways that will make them fit in as they move into permanent party positions. As a guy who's had lots of Joint experience, I've found that our military's core concepts are shared throughout the military even though each initial training is different.
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SSG Joseph VanDyck
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Yes.
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SSG Joseph VanDyck
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USMC Bootcamp.
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SSG Instructor
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Hell no, but I do think combat arms MOS skills Infantry, Artillery, Armor, Mortars, etc. should be a little higher though than say a Supply Sergeant or Human Resources person. I would like to see an additional PT test for COMBAT MOS where you are in full battle rattle because that fatigues you a lot quicker than PT in running shorts and t shirt. Yes, I know that sometimes a non combat MOS gets tasked out to do combat duties but for garrison, combat MOS should be at a higher level due to the more physical nature and endurance needed.
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SFC Richard Giles
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In some ways yes as far as the discipline by all means but each Branch has it's own traditions which are equally important. Each Branch is assigned different duties in defending our nation. So in my opinion the training needs to be different.
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no
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LTC Substitute Teacher
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While there are some commonalities like drill, military courtesy, UCMJ, all service-wide procedures and benefits, the uniforms missions and service-unique traditions are different, therefore no.
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SFC Senior Instructor
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They should all adhere to the same standard of training
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SFC Senior Drill Sergeant
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There are differences in basic training for each branch because each branch is vastly different. As a service member who has served in multiple branches, I have been fortunate enough to have a better understanding of those differences in operations then some and I am thankful that those differences are in place. No, basic training a crossed American military Armed Forces should not be the same. Leave history and tradition alone and let the trainers do what they are supposed to do; Train the troops with their respective branche's standards.
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Cpl Clint Carter
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I would say yes. I don't feel that any branch is hard enough. We should increase the standards and have everyone ready for the worse case scenario.
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SGT James Johnson
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No. The branches have different responsibilities. I went thru boot camp in the navy and basic training in the army. They were different then .This was in the middle 60's
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SMSgt Bob W.
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Great question with many different opinions. Financially, YES. Morale wise, NO. Let us be real, basic military training standards SHOULD BE the same. The technical training after basic is really where the rubber meets the road and, in the recent past, has been combined.
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