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Should EIB be included into Infantry OSUT? Would this better prepare soldiers for taking on the role of being in the Infantry, or is it up to the unit to train the soldier?
Posted 12 y ago
Responses: 23
If you have a CIB, why would you want an EIB? And does having an EIB promote unrealistic overconfidence? I do not know in current doctrine - just asking...
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CPT (Join to see)
The CIB can be awarded as a "been there" badge. Many good men have earned it by taking fire and laying the scunion down on the enemy. Many have earned it by being in the right place, right time.
The EIB is an individual effort. It is tough, challenging, and takes many many hours of dedicated training. I hope to get mine as soon as I am ready and able.
The EIB is an individual effort. It is tough, challenging, and takes many many hours of dedicated training. I hope to get mine as soon as I am ready and able.
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SPC William Weedman
CPT (Join to see) may I make a suggestion that I saw a MSC Lt do? Latch on to a small group of young (under 18 months enlistment) junior enlisted and train, train, train. That's how 2 of my buddies earned their EFMB with the Lt telling them he didn't know half the skills he needed to earn it, so he trained with them, learned the skills and earned it as well.
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Why?? If you asked that question you must not have earned the EIB. Anybody that engsges the enemy in combat earns the CIB usually more times than not the CIB is a blanket award, you dont need to be an expert at your job to earn one. The EIB on the other hand is a benchmark to achieve, earning the EIB sets you apart as an expert in your craft.
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SSG Chris Miller
EIB= Earned Infantryman's Badge
CIB= Right/Wrong place at the Right/Wrong time (depending on how you look at it)
CIB= Right/Wrong place at the Right/Wrong time (depending on how you look at it)
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Resourcing, planning, and executing an EIB testing is quite an undertaking. In addition, each testing has to be certified (although the folks at Benning are the ones who do it), and the testers are supposed to have an EIB themselves. All of that, combined with the fact that Sand Hill has enough on it's plate makes for a nightmare all around.
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OSUT is all about teaching 11Bs the basics to pass and be sent along to their first duty stations. Once the PVTs are at their first unit, they learn the finer techniques from their NCOs and officers. While there is an overall EIB standard, each INF unit has their own methods and traditions that come with the EIB training and testing. Traditionally the INF BN has set minimum requirements for EIB testing and there is some sort of ceremonial event held to commemorate those who pass. I don't think that those traditions would hold the same meaning in an OSUT environment, and therefore think it would be better to do it outside of that schoolhouse.
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