Posted on Nov 8, 2015
SPC Benjamin Smith
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We've all seen the parking spots at the Commissary and Exchange that say "Reserved for General Officer/CSM/CW5." I'm writing a paper for class that seeks to change this tradition by repurposing priority parking spots for expectant mothers, families with small children, and/or time-limited parking. I think any of these would be a better use for priority parking spots, especially since there are very few General Officers/CSMs/CW5s shopping at the Commissary. Most of the time, these reserved spots sit empty while the rest of the population has to park further away. There are lots of pregnant spouses (and service members), as well as families with small children that could benefit from having closer parking. Additionally, these spots could be designated "10 Minute Parking Only", for people who only need a few things or just want to grab some lunch to go.

I know this isn't a hot topic by any means, but I had to write about something I saw that needed to be changed. This seemed as good as any.

Please take the time to vote on my survey and leave any constructive comments below. I will use the results in the development of my paper.

*Note: This is in no way intended to be disrespectful to anyone. It is merely an observation that contributed to a college assignment.
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CW2 Counterintelligence Technician
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Are we really begrudging our most senior military members a parking spot? We serve in the military where a hierarchical structure exists. We honor and defer to those who have served with distinction. This is one of the most basic tenets that separates those of us who serve in the military from the rest of the population. If anyone does not like this, they can feel free to depart the military and seek employment elsewhere where all are considered equal. However, I doubt you will find it. I'm pretty sure the CEO of Microsoft probably has an assigned parking space after all…..
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SPC Benjamin Smith
SPC Benjamin Smith
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Thanks for voting! I wholly support assigned parking spots at duty locations, but don't think reserved parking at the Commissary/PX/gym is appropriate. I'm sure the CEO of Microsoft has a parking spot near his office, but I doubt he has one at the local grocery store. Of course, as you said, the military cannot be compared to civilian life. I would like to reiterate that this question is merely a product of an observation, and was asked to facilitate the completion of a school assignment.
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SSG Audwin Scott
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SSG Audwin Scott
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Good questions but truth be told this tradition will not change.
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CSM David Heidke
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If I had a dollar for every E4 who complained that I got a parking spot close to the door, I'd be rich. When I was a young enlisted lad, I just dreamed of the time I could work my way up to get certain perks instead of trying to remove them from those who have earned them.
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SPC Benjamin Smith
SPC Benjamin Smith
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Thank you for offering your opinion.
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CSM Carl Cunningham
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MSG Louis Alexander
MSG Louis Alexander
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Interesting choice of subject matter. So not to react with any kind of prejudice, let me point out several things. First; It was mentioned that expectant mothers should have priority. Many doctors will tell you the more exercise and especially walking that an expectant mother does, the better the pregnancy will be. Second: Families with small children are always problematic, one would think if families were shopping, that both parents if not family adult members would be present to help control the children. They could control these little rascals by making it a game, and providing much needed physical exercise walking from any parking space to either the commissary or exchange, who knows they’ probably have fun. Third: To reserve a space even for 10 minutes for perhaps over weight arm chair warriors purging for food, or those who are lack of physical activity, exercise from their car providing Cardio Vascular exercise is a good thing especially when they don’t get enough exercise. No, I concur with CSM Heidke. In most part everyone mentioned would benefit with some exercise. For those who haven’t a slot, let them strive for excellence by climbing the rung of the ladder to success. Meanwhile, stop intruding on those who achieved their goal to claim such perks.
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LTC Kevin B.
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I agree that those spots could be put to better use. They are almost always unused anyways. The old "rank has its privileges" mindset has mostly been shelved, and I think that's a good thing. Other people deserve them more (expectant mothers, families with small children, elderly retirees, etc.).
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SPC Benjamin Smith
SPC Benjamin Smith
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Thanks for voting! I've seen a few people comment that although some privileges increase with rank (BAH, PCS Weight Allowance, etc.), everyone is equally entitled to Commissary and Exchange privileges across the ranks.
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SSgt Anna Lynda
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I’m not sure I would put it that there are others that deserve them more, but rather, need the spaces more. Deserving something means you did something to earn it, which would lend itself more to the rank based thought. I think that by taking away some privileges for working hard and achieving something we take away incentives too. Parking spaces are trophies though - some folks need them for the status it brings and others don’t.
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CSM Mario Stadler
CSM Mario Stadler
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Thank you LTC Kevin for your response without any emotional input like the other „ranking“ soldiers did. We are living in a equally called world and should show this more and more to all. Not …I am better..I have rank or a Titel …I deserve more.
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MSG Thomas Currie
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I have to absolutely agree with OP's opinion that reserved parking might make sense at duty locations but makes absolutely no sense at places like the commissary.

Back when Fort Knox still had an army hospital there were two "General Officer" reserved parking spaces that were ALWAYS empty. There were only two general officers assigned to the entire post. Neither was in the chain-of-command for the hospital. If either was going to visit the hospital their driver would have dropped them at the door. They wouldn't have taken their POV.
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Should General Officer/CSM/CW5 reserved parking at Commissaries and Exchanges be repurposed for others?
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SSgt Alex Robinson
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I think parking should be equal. First come first serve. There are not dedicated checkout lines for general officers or senior listed so why should they have special parking?
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SPC Benjamin Smith
SPC Benjamin Smith
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Thanks for voting! I've been asking people for input in person as well. One person shared their opinion that reserved parking spots were appropriate in front of the duty location (Company/Brigade/Squadron HQ, etc.) but aren't necessary at community facilities like the Commissary, Exchange, or gym.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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But there are provisions for anyone in uniform to move to the front of the checkout line.
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Col Kyle Taylor
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I think your survey would be better served by giving a list to chose from that would replace the reserved spots. I would suggest Purple Heart recipients have a spot as well as gold star families.
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On the civilian side, I returned to my car and someone called to me. He said before you go look your car over. The lady parked next to you hit it as she parked. There was significant damage so I waited for the lady to return. She was in an expectant mother's parking place.

She denied hitting my car until I told her I had a witness.

BUT, the real irony, she had to have been at least 85 years old and certainly NOT pregnant nor a new mother.
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SPC Benjamin Smith
SPC Benjamin Smith
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Thanks for commenting. I wonder if she couldn't even see the sign, and mistook it for handicapped. Either way, no parking designations are immune from abuse. Good thing that person gave you a heads up!
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LCpl Steven Fiore
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Small perk for a lifetime of work. I really think they should be kept.
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SPC Benjamin Smith
SPC Benjamin Smith
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Thanks for voting. Do you think that other important positions in government, such as elected officials, should come with "perks"? Should there be designated spots at Walmart for city councilmen?
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LCpl Steven Fiore
LCpl Steven Fiore
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original response:
Unfair example. City councilmen hopefully are not associated or have spent their career working for Walmart. Sounds like bribery.

Now, do I think the mayor deserves a parking spot at City Hall? Yes, I do.

Should C Level executives have preferred parking at a company's HQ? Up to them to set that policy. If they do, cool by me.

(Did the same thing there, using unfair examples)

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As I was shaving, I thought about this a bit more. Your response actually hit a nerve. I originally only gave a quick 1 liner. I feel you are trying to invalidate my opinion with your response because it is not what you agree with. So, I will actually give you my full opinion.

I actually am a bit offended by the way you brought this up. I understand you think there are better uses and you did give some decent examples. Here is where you rub me the wrong way. Instead of trying to get additional parking for expecting mothers, or 10 minute parking (a whole debate can be about who goes first in distance), you decided to take someone else's parking spot and erode their benefits to accomplish this. You don't rate their parking, but feel it is ok to take it from this group. This bothers me on so many levels. If you want additional parking, great, let's talk about that. The only people that should be talking about giving their earned (yes, i said earned) parking spot to another group, are the people that rate it.

I will give you an example. Joe Jody Smith, has $40,000 in student debt. He thinks this is outrageous. He did not serve in the military. He points out that a lot of military veterans do not use their GI Bills and it would be better suited to take the GI Bills of all veterans and give it to single parents instead. I have the same problem with that, as he does not rate the GI Bill and instead of looking at starting a program for single parents education, he looks to steal (yes, steal) from another group to give to someone else.

Now, I do have two questions to add to the conversation. 1 Do any CSM, General Officers, CW5, feel it is a security risk or dislike being identified by the parking, or is that concern so negligible that it doesn't matter?
2. For any MPs out there, can parking in these spots be enforced? I know handicap parking can be enforced, but in the civilian world stuff like "employee of the month" can't be enforced as it is private property. Now, it would be a completely unacceptable and jerk thing to do, so I would like to know if the MPs can ticket these cars for these inconsiderate people.
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SPC Benjamin Smith
SPC Benjamin Smith
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Thanks for offering this additional input. I would like to apologize if I rubbed you the wrong way, as that was not my intent. I also responded quickly and didn't take the time to choose my words carefully. You make a very valid point, and I respect your opinion. I will incorporate your comments into the portion of my paper that requires a discussion of opposition to my proposal.
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CSM Carl Cunningham
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SPC Benjamin Smith , I do not usually down vote but I always ensure I comment when I do. I see your point of view but I totally disagree with it. I am not sure how many duty stations you have had, but I have been stationed at Fort Huachuca more times then I would like. I hope you are not basing this argument off one of the smallest installations in the Army with one of the smallest PX's and Commissaries as well.

I think the "repurposing" of parking spots is not a necessary thing. Most installations in the Army already have parking spots for expectant mothers and families with small children. I have not seen the time-limited parking, but you and I both know that it would be abused and is un-enforcable. Now, back to the other spots. So, expectant mother and small children spots have only been around in the past 8-10 years maybe. I did not (nor did my wife) have these luxuries when we were your rank in the Army. We also did not expect it. We understood that you do receive some privileges as your progress in rank. We respected those ranks because we knew how valuable their time was because of their role on the installation. Now that I have one of those ranks, I do not have the luxury of time that I thought I would. That parking spot allows me to zip in to the PX or Commissary for something I may need on short notice. And since you know how busy that area gets during lunch time on Fort Huachuca, I would not have the time to search for a parking spot that is not there in the middle of the lunch rush.

To address the "families with small children" parking spot. This one always makes me laugh. I do not see the point in this one honestly. This almost makes it sound like having small children is a disability. People had raised children for years in the Army without these parking spot and I do not think getting spot four spots closer to the door would make a big difference.

If you wanted to make a big change, I recommend that they change the parking lot back to the old format. You actually could park closer until September 11th. Now that Huachuca is a closed post (it used to be an open post), I think you can go back to parking close to it.

*I did not take your post as disrepect either. I look forward to your response.
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CSM Carl Cunningham
CSM Carl Cunningham
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SFC (Join to see) - You could have voted me down. It does not hurt my feelings and that is what it is for. And I loved that you even took the time to disagree with me. However, if you have ever been in that parking lot, you would know that there could be ZERO, I mean ZERO parking spots available at lunchtime.

I'll admit, the argument was a little weak. However, seconds count in my day.
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CSM Carl Cunningham
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SPC Benjamin Smith - I am not sure if you know how to tag someone in a post. To do this, Put the "@" symbol, followed by the RallyPoint name(i.e. SGM Carl Cunningham).
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SPC Benjamin Smith
SPC Benjamin Smith
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CSM Carl Cunningham I completed the assignment and haven't logged on since. I never said that you called me a whiny E4. I was referring to how some others commented on the discussion. You have given comprehensive responses, which I appreciate.

You said that I come off as entitled and that I have failed to show courtesy and respect. Please point out to me when I was disrespectful, because I'm not tracking. I have been vocal of my opinions, but isn't that the entire point of an online community? I wouldn't share my opinions of the mission at work; I would execute. What is RallyPoint but not a vehicle for opinions?
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CSM Carl Cunningham
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SPC Benjamin Smith , you should really consider leaving the Army because you do not get it. RallyPoint is not a vehicle for opinions. It is a forum where Soldiers and Veterans can ask questions to get advice or help solving a problem. This is not facebook. SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" , see what I mean.
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CMSgt James Nolan
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Yes, but I would not personally use a BX spot. Designating it as a 10 minute spot would not work, too many potential disputes....
At units, yes there should be some designated spots, the Commander could make those calls, especially at a large base, where "bosses" are in and out to go deal with issues....becomes a matter of efficiency.
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SPC Benjamin Smith
SPC Benjamin Smith
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Thanks for commenting!
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CWO3 Personnel Officer
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Agreed. It is entirely absurd that they block off 25% percent of the parking lot for a select few. Folks are then left driving around trying to find a spot while several spots are left wide open for these VIP's. I am sure SgtMaj will be ok walking an extra 50 yards to the PX.
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SPC Benjamin Smith
SPC Benjamin Smith
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Thanks for your input!
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