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Pushed by the UK Independence Party half of Conservative MPs, five cabinet ministers, several other MPs. They argue the EU is holding them back and imposes too many rules on business and charges billions in ₤ per/year in fees. They also want Britain to take back full control of its borders and reduce the number of people coming here to live and/or work. PM Cameron leads the opposition.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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I don't blame them. Here in Denmark people are getting sick and tired of all the EU and their "one nation law". Each country is individual. Denmark has again instituted their borders and pass ports are check when crossing. Danes are getting tired of being ruled from some place else.
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MAJ Carl Ballinger - I got here on adventure, stayed and started a business shoeing horses. I finished my career here in Europe with the then 7th ARCOM, retiring in 2006. You can read a bit more about me at: http://beslagsmed.wix.com/mikelwdawson
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MSG (Join to see) - Yes it is, but Denmark had enough of all the illegals from Syria and such. The amount of crime has risen and people were pissed. Denmark said piss on the EU and started again with border checks of which I am glad for.
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SGM Mikel Dawson - But if you say the US should enforce our border laws, you're branded a bigot ... So much for the Left's war cry of "Look at progressive Europe" as an example of the the wonderful world of diversity and inclusion.
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MSG (Join to see) - That's because they don't live over here and don't understand what "no border" does to a country. United States is getting there.
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CPT Jack Durish
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I haven't the foggiest notion as to what Great Britain should do. Given the fact that I rarely vote with the majority it seems I don't have much of a notion of what my own nation should do. I suspect many, maybe most British citizens are a lot like me. Thus, expect that a lot of darts will be thrown at boards in pubs until a decision is reached. I only wish we had pubs in America so we could decide weighty matters so wisely.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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As it stands, I think the UK offers more to the EU than the EU offers to the UK. It is not a "mutually beneficial" arrangement.

As such, why would they want to continue their relationship under such terms?

It is true that their presence offers stability to Europe, just like our presence within the Middle East, East Asia, etc offers stability to the World though. However, is European Stability one of their stated goals? We have weighed the options and determined we want global stability so we maintain a presence, even though it has the potential to threaten the US.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS I figure if it was just a matter of stability, well, that's what they've got NATO for.
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MSG (Join to see) - NATO is specifically about "military" stability whereas the EU/UK situation has massive links into Economic Stability which is outside of NATO's purview.

Expanding the parallel, do we (US) provide any kind of Economic Stability to the Middle East with our physical presence there as a Force? Political Stability sure, and I'm sure "indirectly" that would assist on the Economic side, but our purpose isn't Economic in nature. Same idea applies to NATO as a whole, hence the "need" for a EU. Different scopes of operation.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS - We do have NAFTA.
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MSG (Join to see) - Which is Non-Governmental. It's a treaty more than anything. Non-comparable.

The EU is a "Government Body" though an oddly formed one.
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MSgt James Mullis
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Yes, they should! For no other reason than to piss off the EU bureaucrats who have already spent their (the UK's) money for the next ten plus years. FYI: Over 10,000 EU employees have a higher annual salary than the Prime Minister of England.
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MSgt James Mullis I'm pro pretty much anything that pisses off bureaucrats.
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Sgt Tom Cunnally
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We should find out later today or tomorrow Obama says that Great Britain should stay but England thinks he should have butted out of their politics.

A foreign leader has no business coming into London and telling the people what to do.
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Sgt Tom Cunnally Did President Obama tell them that or was he expressing his opinion? If he just expressed an opinion that's one thing (depending how he says it) but telling them ... That's a whole different monster. Much like when PM Cameron called Mr. Trump, a Presidential Candidate, those less than flattering phrases. He stepped over the line there.
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SFC Joseph Weber
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They should fill their moats with burning oil and break out the pikes!
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Bodies painted blue?
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SGT David T.
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They need to make a decision based on what works best for them. If they are not benefiting from the relationship, then there is no reason to continue. It is not like they will not still have close ties to Continental Europe.
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SGT David T. Right? They're only 20(?) miles away.
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Capt Seid Waddell
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The EU cannot work long term with multiple governments and a single currency. The cracks are already showing with Germany being expected to bail out the less functional countries. Eventually the EU will pull everybody down; the UK should get out while they can.
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LTC Paul Labrador, MSG (Join to see) Brexit appears to have prevailed...

Britain has voted to leave the 28-bloc European Union. The Associated Press, citing tallies from British broadcasters, reported that the “leave” side prevailed 52 percent to 48 percent in Thursday’s vote.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/06/24/britain-votes-to-leave-european-union.html?intcmp=hpbt1
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Capt Seid Waddell - So the question is will Cameron honor the nonbinding vote.
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MSG (Join to see), it doesn't sound non-binding, although it is just the start of the process. The pound dropped more than 10% in one day in response, so evidently there are others that believe it is binding.

"The result triggers a new series of negotiations that is expected to last two years or more as Britain and the EU search for a way to separate economies that have become intertwined since the U.K. joined the bloc on Jan. 1, 1973. Until those talks are completed, Britain will remain a member of the EU.

Exiting the EU involves taking the unprecedented step of invoking Article 50 of the EU's governing treaty."
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CAPT Kevin B.
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It depends on what GB collectively wants. If they want some smushed together Euro future with Germany pretty much calling the shots, then stay in. If they want to be independent of all that stuff, leave. However, they can't go back to pre Euro days as that would mean kicking out about 90% of all the immigrants that came in the past 30 years. Don't see that happening. The problem will be how it will re-establish its fishing zones and enforce them along with all the other problems with Euro encroachment that will occur because Merkel will want to penalize them for leaving.

I think the Euro should be broken up overall. They are still fighting WW2. You see it everywhere in the Scandinavian countries in how Germans and they treat each other. We have to have separate soccer referee meetings at our international tournaments because groups still refuse to sit with each other. I believe the EU was formed as a means to compare with the US as an economic power. Problem is up to recently we assimilate immigrants, the EU shuns them. Hard to be one diverse entity when there continues to be so many factions who won't get along, hence cannot form that economic powerhouse.
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CAPT Kevin B. The US was born out of many cultures that assimilated. The current immigration influx notwithstanding, the European experiment will fail as that continent is comprised of culturally specific and proud people many who still value their land, customs and culture.
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MSG (Join to see) the big difference is we encourage assimilation where the Europeans discourage it. And anything we like about you, we'll hijack it, especially food. And if you want to see cultural apoplectic response, just approach the Japanese about taking a pile of immigrants in.
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CAPT Kevin B. Have you heard of the latest PC bit of stupidity? Certain groups are opposed to the "cultural appropriation" committed by Americans. Have you, with your Caucasian features and Anglo-Saxon name ever made a taco for dinner? Know someone of Albanian descent who made sashimi (i.e. cutting up raw fish)? How about the Jones' down the street who made Gumbo ... All guilty of cultural appropriation.

If you haven't see attached for your reading (dis)enjoyment. Interesting twist too.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434675/political-correctness-run-amok-university-missouri
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CAPT Kevin B.
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If you understand the people, you appreciate the diversity. Food is likely the best introduction to other cultures, although I've ate some truly awful stuff. Also people aren't stupid. They brew beer that goes with their food. So in Cambodia, you drink Angkor Wat unless you had sensitivity to the formaldehyde they use as a preservative in the beer due to lack of refrigeration and less than perfect water. I shifted to Carlsberg or Heineken when my nose went numb.
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Sgt Nick Marshall
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As a dual American/Brit I am very torn. My wife is French and I think the EU is best, but a part also wants Brussels to have no voice in the UK
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Sgt Nick Marshall What are the pro's and con's from your unique viewpoint?
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Sgt Nick Marshall
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Britain leaving is done for emotional reasons (immigration fears), staying is for open markets. Now that it's done Scotland will probably leave as will N Ireland, leaving the UK, England and Wales. London will no longer be the Worlds finance capital
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Sgt Nick Marshall
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The U.K. Also provides a counterweight to Germany, no more...
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