Posted on Sep 18, 2014
Should PFCs stand at "Parade Rest" for a SPC?
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We had Lieutenants saluting each other, now I ask this: Should an E-3 stand at the position of parade rest for an E4 Specialist (not a corporal)?
FM 7-21.13 The Soldiers Guide in Chapter 4 addresses customs and courtesies. It states that Soldiers junior in rank will stand at parade rest when addressing an NCO unless otherwise directed.
I remember when I was a PFC, I had a Specialist who was adamant about all E3s and below standing at parade rest in front of him. Was he right?
What say you RP?
FM 7-21.13 The Soldiers Guide in Chapter 4 addresses customs and courtesies. It states that Soldiers junior in rank will stand at parade rest when addressing an NCO unless otherwise directed.
I remember when I was a PFC, I had a Specialist who was adamant about all E3s and below standing at parade rest in front of him. Was he right?
What say you RP?
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CW5 Scott Montgomery Chief what do you feel a Specialists place is in our rank structure Sir? Myself personally call the Specialist the Crutch grade of rank AKA Career Private as they are not NCO's but at the same token are seasoned Soldiers. By eliminating this grade of rank and making the Corporals we now have a large pool of Junior NCO's that we force to take on the duties and responsibilities respective to being an NCO by holding them accountable in accordance our E-4's now realizing they are not welfare recipients. As for customs and courtesies such as attention and parade rest regardless it is a team of well disciplined Soldiers who accomplish the Army mission therefore a subordinate regardless of rank should stand at either position as a sign of self discipline and respect for service even if it is a Private that is in charge.
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We had a PV2 that tried to make PVTs stand at parade rest for him. He was such a dirtbag that most of the PVTs passed him up and they were all SPCs while he was still PFC. All I can say is, "payback is a bitch". lol
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Hahahahahahaha um no. Regulation clearly states NCO not other junior enlisted Soldiers senior in grade.
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It goes two ways here. For Spc in a leadership position I say yes. For Spc not in one I say no they are your peers grow and learn from each other no stronger bond than that of brothers and sisters. If a lower enlisted tries to buck up to a Spc then let them handle the issue. The reason I say leadership positions is that it will revert back to say an acting psgt or acting 1sgt leadership roles have the respect. Done deal black and white.
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I'm not familiar with "pump your breaks at high-speed" (shouldn't that be brakes?), but I DO a SPC is NOT an NCO (CPL, on the other hand, is). A close reading of FM 7-21.13 refers to "NCO", and a SPC does not fit that bill.
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SFC (Join to see)
Yes 1SG Michael Blount it should most definitely read "brakes". After the initial post last summer, I tried to edit but could not. You are the first to mention the usage error. I wonder what that says to the RP community at large about the their ability to pay attention to detail.
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1SG Michael Blount
@sfc Jason kendrick - I woodnt wory about it. I believe the general rule in military correspondence is easily understood in a single rapid reading. Spellin, grammar and punctuation are nice, but not always required
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For the love of Christ! Can we give it a rest with questions like this? Is this really the best we can come up with, RallyPoint?
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SPC is higher ranking so technically yes and I'm sure the regs would back me up on this. But as the SPC is not an NCO it'd be a unique demand to make. Same as a 1LT requiring a 2LT to call him Sir. Technically he can but kind of a douchebag move. The one time I "pulled rank" as an 1LT towards a 2LT was when I was a Company XO but the story behind that warrants it.
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SSG (Join to see)
I have been in a few units where it was unit policy for privates (PVT-PFC) to stand at parade rest for Specialists. It always made me feel uneasy when it was done for me because I was not an NCO and I almost always immediately told them to relax.
I guess it would be best to say that it is command discretion whether or not they want that to happen or not.
I guess it would be best to say that it is command discretion whether or not they want that to happen or not.
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CPT Ahmed Faried
Agreed. I'll put it this way. I would support the SPC that decided to do that because he/she wouldn't be wrong.
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I am a SPC and a team leader. I make my team stand at parade rest for me. I do that so they know I am there to lead not be their friend.
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MAJ (Join to see)
I have to agree with SPC Jones. In a situation where a SPC is a Team Leader, he/she is in that position 99.9% of the time because he/she has shown that they are ready to take that next step. "Friends/buddies" go by the wayside and they are now a Leader who has to make those hard decisions.
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COL Thom Brooks
Disagree with this completely. That is why we have the rank of CPL. If you are not an NCO, you are not entitled to those regulatory expectations. At the end of the day, the SPC will not be writing an NCOER, and though he/she is the ranking Soldier, he/she is NOT an NCO. I am quite surprised this is still in discussion, but intrigued at some of the responses.
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God help us.
C'mon. I mean, does this pass the smell test at all?
This is up there with those emails you get from the Treasury Minister of Zamunda who wants you to send him 5k in American funds for which he will handsomely return you 350k of American funds.
In order words, this is some BU11$H!T.
And E-3 should not stand at parade rest for an E-4.
C'mon. I mean, does this pass the smell test at all?
This is up there with those emails you get from the Treasury Minister of Zamunda who wants you to send him 5k in American funds for which he will handsomely return you 350k of American funds.
In order words, this is some BU11$H!T.
And E-3 should not stand at parade rest for an E-4.
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