Posted on Oct 12, 2014
PO1 Steven Kuhn
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RallyPoint just deleted a conversation or thread with no explanation as to why. FaceBook deleted everything I ever posted (along with every friend who had similar stuff posted) regarding Islam, ISIS/ISIL, President Obama news threads, anything against the far political left (news items, etc.,) anything pro-legal carry or pro 2nd Amendment, and anything against Obamacare, the President's falsified birth certificate, etc. I did not make these up, I just reposted links from news articles. The big question is in a land of free speech should anyone have the power to delete a conversation or thread or what ever it may be called if we use respect when trying to communicate with one another and respect our differences of opinions? Freedom of Speech is still allowed here, right?
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CW5 Desk Officer
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It seems to me that we do have free speech, PO1 Steven Kuhn. Can't speak for Facebook, but my experience here on RallyPoint is that all viewpoints are allowed. And I think if you posted respectfully, as you said, you should see your post.

There may be a specific reason why your post was deleted or removed. Duplicate post? I'd recommend checking with one of the admins (the folks with the stars on their profiles). If they don't know, they can probably find out why your post was removed.
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
PO1 Steven Kuhn
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Thank you, I will await their email response and then try and search for people with stars in their profiles! Off to RA's. Talk to you later!

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SGT Ben Keen
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As one of "them" that does remove posts from time to time, I can tell you that we take careful consideration before taking any action on any post. We do not remove posts as a way to limited one's freedom of speech. We remove posts that do not follow the published standards set forth by RallyPoint and that are available to any member at any time through the Support Portal. If you feel that your post was wrongly removed, you can contact any four-star user admin like myself, SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" and SSG Carlos Madden for a review.
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SFC Mark Merino
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Edited 11 y ago
Great points CW5 (Join to see) and PO1 Steven Kuhn I understand your frustration as well. The first several times I had omments or entire threads removed I felt like it was a personal attack, but that wasn't the case. Sometimes, as previously stated, the thread is almost identical in content with another and it is the responsibility of the administrator to determine which started first and then merge the two together. Pictures can be offensive for some people more than others. Profanity is watched like a hawk and there is NO wiggle room for the F-bomb, but there is a little wiggle room for other spicy verbage if it is a thread that is designed to be "entertaining" only. It has been addressed that it is frustrating to not receive feedback when something gets deleted. Human naturekicks in and we scratch our heads wondering if we "did something wrong." Check out the guidelines on RP 3-1 and see if your question has been addressed.
V/R, Mark
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwGCGf-BJVo-V2dWSVdvMXRQX0E/edit
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SGM Senior Adviser, National Communications
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Like it or not, the publisher owns the medium, the editor works for the publisher.  Not every commercial entity and fewer still facets of Social Media are in the first amendment forum; this isn't one either. 
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
PO1 Steven Kuhn
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That is sad, because you would thing that one dedicated to active duty and retired military would reflect the freedoms we are fighting for.....
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
PO1 Steven Kuhn
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SFC Mark Merino Thank you for the information. I found this on another thread and reviewed it. No profanity. Courtesy even to those who hid their identity while voting me down, and I do not believe the question was a duplicate. As I stated above, I think that this site should echo the freedoms we are fighting for and if we make a mistake they should take the time to let us know what it was when they delete something......but than you for your help and comment.
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Should public communications forums like FaceBook and RallyPoint be able to delete/control topics if they are communicated with respect?
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They aren't public, as much as you'd like to think so. They are corporations. If they believe something you have posted will damage their bottom line more than pulling it will, then they will pull it.

It's the same as when a radio talk show host gets fired for some comment or another...it isn't free speech, it's a corporation weighing which will be a better bet for their profits.
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CWO2 James Mathews
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Not having all the information on this topic, I feel that I need to ask the following questions:

>> When RallyPoint removes a comment, do they have the courtesy to notify the author of that comment about the action taken and the reason for it, and if not, why not?

>> If the answer to the first question is "NO", then does RallyPoint remove so many comments that such a courtesy is too financially or practically possible to do so?

I tend to agree with the CW5 Montgomery, in regard to corporations setting rules for their opinion organizations, since without such rules there is always someone who will take advantage of an offered situation and do damage either as a prank or with deliberate intent! This possibility must be considered in all such organizations. In regard to the term "freedom of speech" each person in the world takes that comment in a slightly different context, and mature comments, having considered both sides of the question, and using civil language is not often understood by all. Added to the confusion, any one of the three preceding standards will differ in the understanding of different people. What Civil Language is to Peter, may not agree with John's View, and Joe's idea of a mature comment may not meet Susan's standard, Geraldine's view of considering both sides of a question, may well differ significantly from Richard's view! So care should be used in the speech that you use or select for additional publishing, together with the permission of the original author. I believe all of the above should be followed in making personal views here. I cannot speak to Facebook since I do not understand the other side of that particular story, fully as yet. When a mistake is made an apology is normally the proper thing to do, and again, that idea surely will have differing opinions among a wide variety of people!
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SPC David Willis
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You're using someone else's intellectual property to communicate over. The 1A only states the police cannot come and arrest you for speaking your mind, it does not state business owners must let you use their platform as a bully pulpit.
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AB Duncan Anderson
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Free speech does not mean that you can propagate lies and/or misinformation... that’s how you dumb down the populace!
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Capt Retired
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Are RP and FB public forums or are they privately owned sites?

Therein lies the answer.

Play by the rules or the owner has the right to not allow you to play.
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Steven Sam Starkey
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If it's owned/produced by an individual or company, YES. This is America! IF someone /organization deletes a thread or topic you are communicating on, SIMPLY CREATE A BLOG or find another site to participate with.
You have the right to FREE SPEECH AND EXPRESSION OF POLITICAL VIEWS. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DELETE OR discontinue any thread on their SITE!
To be a FREE COUNTRY IT MUST GO BOTH WAYS- NOT JUST OUR OWN!
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SFC Robert Bailey
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Contrary to what most people think, "freedom of speech" is not what they imagine it is. I recommend to research the true legal basis in freedom of speech and you will find that you truly dont have freedom of speech.
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PO1 Steven Kuhn
PO1 Steven Kuhn
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SFC Robert Bailey What do you think Freedom of Speech is? The only thing I have to go on is my research of what the Founding Fathers intended. Freedom of Speech is not being able to say anything you want (like profanity, hate speech, etc even though these things are often tolerated and put under the freedom of speech umbrella) but the ability to converse with anyone about almost anything as long as the conversation is maintained with mutual respect for all involved. Back in the day our Founding Fathers could not speak to a king or one of his minions the same way they would speak to one another. Freedom of Speech gives me the right to express my opinions without being silenced as long as I do so with an attitude of respect and a desire for communication....things I try to ensure whenever I am communicating with someone......

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SFC Robert Bailey
SFC Robert Bailey
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Steven,
You are "spot on" with your understanding of freedom of speech. We have many Americans that believe they can spout off with racial bias and hateful comments under their belief of " freedom of speech".
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Steven Sam Starkey
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I agree gentlemen. Just remember we shouldn't be overly worried by ignorant people chattering away, but by those destroying our country!
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