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Do you think there should be national Voter ID law? Meaning should you be required to show an in-state license in order to vote? Why or why not? It's not racist, nor does it target a specific group of persons. Any adult that drives, applies for job, buys tobacco, etc needs to have an ID, so why not when they vote? Even if there isn't wide spread voter fraud as some have suggested, what could it hurt?
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What happened voter registration cards along with picture ID? It only makes sense.
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It seems like we have this conversation monthly and nothing ever changes. LTC Kevin B. provides the most succinct analysis of this problem on this thread.
There is a whole camp of people here who are of the mindset that since it isn't a problem for them, it shouldn't be a problem for anyone else, when that is simply not the case. When they are given facts as to why it is a burden, they simply ignore it, which doesn't help have any meaningful conversation about the problem.
If this was truly a case of vote integrity then we would have reasonable legislation that offered help to people in obtaining these forms of ID, but it's not, so we don't.
People say, "It's not that expensive". If the government requires you to do something that costs money in order to vote, it could be seen as an unconstitutional poll-tax. That is why it needs to be free.
There is a whole camp of people here who are of the mindset that since it isn't a problem for them, it shouldn't be a problem for anyone else, when that is simply not the case. When they are given facts as to why it is a burden, they simply ignore it, which doesn't help have any meaningful conversation about the problem.
If this was truly a case of vote integrity then we would have reasonable legislation that offered help to people in obtaining these forms of ID, but it's not, so we don't.
People say, "It's not that expensive". If the government requires you to do something that costs money in order to vote, it could be seen as an unconstitutional poll-tax. That is why it needs to be free.
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MSG Jay Jackson
Yea I know and why should I need a permit? The 2A says nothing of being permitted to carry a gun. I do recall the shall not be infringed part though.
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PO1 (Join to see)
MSG Jay Jackson - I don't know. I disagree with having to have a permit to carry. Fortunately in Virginia I can open carry without a permit. If your state requires you to have a permit to carry a gun then I advise you contact your state legislature and ask them to reconsider.
And again, these two things are not related.
And again, these two things are not related.
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See no reason why they shouldn't show some valid form of I.D. even an I.D. card with picture would be fine, there are a lot of people that don't drive for one reason or another.
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I'd like to see a constitutional amendment requiring photo ID and proof of citizenship for Presidential elections, requiring the use of paper ballots, and requiring those ballots to be signed and for those signatures to match what's on the photo ID.
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Well here is my problem. I don't have a drivers license because I have epilepsy and my military ID has always been used. So to get a state issued id I need my birth certificate. I tried to get one from my state but it never came. I am going to have to travel to get it, that's money and time I don't have. So I called and the election commission said my military ID will be fine. But I got there to vote and they said I couldn't use it, that I had to have a drivers licence or a state ID. Luckily I was still able to vote because you can't intimidate me like that. I had a friend that they wouldn't let her vote because she was wearing shorts!
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SSgt Christopher Brose
SPC Kevin Ford - What you said gives me comfort in CT's management as a state. I am fully on board with requiring a birth certificate, passport, or citizenship papers in order to get a driver's license. Outstanding! I would actually support requiring those things even for someone coming in from out of state who already has a license in another state.
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SGT Anna Kleinschmidt
My thing is that I was covered by having my military id and able to vote, but there were people at the voting station saying it wasn't valid and I had to stand there and call the election commission on my cell to get to vote. Yes I am still trying to get it, but there are also people out there who have the same issues and do not have the finances and also people that were never issued one in the first place even though they are in fact citizens. What we are saying is that making it a requirement is fine only if it is made when an id is made free and aviable without undue hardships to citizens anything else is along the lines of a poll tax that keeps certian groups from voting making it unconstitutional.
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Maj John Bell
SGT Anna Kleinschmidt - I bet your state offers a long list of acceptable documentation, for most of which you don't have to pay a dime.
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SSgt Christopher Brose - most likely that was due to the fact that like me, you did that pre 2001 and all the follow up laws that completely changed what was required to get a drivers license. It was part of the safe ID process, whereby getting a DL became similar to getting a passport and you had to prove you are a citizen. Before you just had to prove you lived at the address you were claiming. This was so that the DL would pass for flying on airplanes. I think a few states refused to make the changes, but most did.
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Yes there needs to be an ID to save our nation. I believe in a secret election. That being said, one should be able to identify they are part of the family allowed to decide their faith, that's the only "fair thing to do".
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SSgt Christopher Brose
I don't understand the last half of your post: "one should be able to identify they are part of the family allowed to decide their faith, that's the only 'fair thing to do'."
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SSgt Christopher Brose - Yes. I could have been a bit more articulate. :) If I remember correct I wrote this on my phone, not under the best conditions; and when I screw something up on my phone I can’t edit it. Sorry about that.
To be clearer: I believe in a secret election, that being said there needs to be an identification at the polling place for a person to prove their identity. I believe this is the only way our family (our nations citizens) can properly shape our future.
To be clearer: I believe in a secret election, that being said there needs to be an identification at the polling place for a person to prove their identity. I believe this is the only way our family (our nations citizens) can properly shape our future.
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SSgt Christopher Brose
SFC (Join to see) - Thank you for the clarification. I think ideally, votes should be anonymous -- but as with so many other things, a few bad apples screw it all up for the rest of us. So now I advocate signing ballots, or at least having some mechanism for matching a ballot to a signature. Votes could be tallied in the initial count and all votes could remain anonymous -- but in the event of a recount, ballots could be verified. I have seen too many close elections where there was a recount, and then during the recount, boxes of "lost" ballots were "found" and then counted, and they pushed the election.
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Here is an article to add to The one SPC Kevin Ford posted.
[https://www.thenation.com/article/a-90-year-old-woman-whos-voted-since-1948-was-disenfranchised-by-wisconsins-voter-id-law/]
[https://www.thenation.com/article/a-90-year-old-woman-whos-voted-since-1948-was-disenfranchised-by-wisconsins-voter-id-law/]
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SGT Anna Kleinschmidt
A 90-Year-Old Woman Who’s Voted Since 1948 Was Disenfranchised by Wisconsin’s Voter-ID Law
Voting-rights groups are asking a federal court to block the law before the November election.
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SPC Kevin Ford
SGT Anna Kleinschmidt - It even gets worse than that. The question is, are there people in the US who not only don't have a birth certificate on hand but never had one created for them? The answer to that question is yes. It still happens today but it is much more common in our older generation. For a lot of these laws they will never be able to get valid id to vote.
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id
https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/146204308/why-millions-of-americans-have-no-government-id
Why Millions of Americans Have No Government ID
Several states have tightened voting requirements, making it mandatory to show a form of government-issued photo ID before casting a ballot. But millions of Americans don't have a government ID. Host Michel Martin talks with NPR's Corey Dade about who is least likely to have one and why.
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We don't require ID to pay our taxes, something far more intrusive. You literally fill out a form, place a unique identifier on it (SSN) and send it in. The government then sends you a check if applicable.
If the SSN shows as "non-unique" (two people file the same one), the IRS investigates.
Why can't we use something similar?
If the SSN shows as "non-unique" (two people file the same one), the IRS investigates.
Why can't we use something similar?
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It is obvious that some miss the hypocrisy of this by the conservatives (those are who are advocating for this). They constantly complain about "too much government" but turn around and ask (demand?) more.
As posted below, it is solution looking for a problem.
Also, I agree with the premise of : Papiere bitte.
As posted below, it is solution looking for a problem.
Also, I agree with the premise of : Papiere bitte.
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