Should there be one minimum APFT standard regardless of age and gender? What do you all think?

Same standards same treatment. Equality.

Expecting a 47 year old (for example) to perform to the same standard as a 17 year old is unreasonable in the extreme. In this case, science is not crap, it's truth.

I consistently get between 225 and 250 on my APFT. If you're more worried about whether I max my APFT and less worried about how well I do my job (255A), the problem isn't with me.

I personally agree with the one standard mindset. I think it's nothing more than a mental mind block to say to a female, " Well science says...". To be frank it's crap. The females I work with and train with can out do most of the men on this answer feed. Last week I was the first soldier done behind my infantry back ground Commander on our ruck. We maintained a 14 min mile pace at 45lbs....I'm 5'1" with sciatic nerve damage down my left leg. I think a lot of what's being groomed into our females is a weak mindset.

APFT minimum is 180 what exactly are you asking in your question Sir?

I cannot support one standard among the sexes because sciences doesn't support it. Second to math, science regarding the human body is absolute. The only true way to equalize the APFT standard is to lower the men's standard to the women's.

However, you could lower the men's standard closer to the women's and vice versa. Then have the APFT simply a GO or NOGO test.

That's about it.

The one thing I've always found a little annoying is that for the push ups and the run, an almost failing score for me is a 100% for a female of my age.

Ehhh,

In the scope of business and bottom line, it'd be a waste to develop MOS specific events to APFT. Further, to standardize the APFT based on age and gender, you would probably eliminate realistic expectations for the force.

The APFT, if you notice, peaks around 28 years old. Theoretically, this is when you have acclimated to Army physical requirements and have not started to naturally go down hill in strength and endurance. I know there are some older soldiers who could run me in to the ground, but that is generally the exception, not the rule. Same goes for women soldiers. There may be some who could out PT the best of us, but anatomically, they are built in a way that can only be appraised in scale, with respect to males.

At the end of the day, I do not think the current APFT is comprehensive enough, bit I also do not think that it should be changed to encompass a standard between neither male and female, nor age.

The amount of money it would take to develop would far out weigh the value.

Keep it as it is. We have people who cannot hit it as it is. Do NOT lower it at all though. If we lower the standards we lower what is expected of our servicemembers and we lower the quality servicemembers we have.

Agree with Capt Richard I P.

One ring to rule them all.. await this is not the LOTR forum. Yes yes by all means one test and one further acrossed all of DoD makes sense. Then add to but never take away. Marines can ad a mile for the run. Congrates you just passed DoD standard Marine now finish as Marine one more mile.

I would like to see something more rigorous for combat arms. At a minimum amp up and enforce the army ruck standard for all. I've been in some situations where out of shape "enablers" could have gotten us pretty jacked up (thank you A-10s for saving my a**). I think the army as a whole needs it kicked up a notch and focus on the important things like humping weight and IMT.

Negative, I am no longer 18 years old. I openly admit that 48 years on this Earth and 13 years in the Army has taken its toll on my body.

A gender neutral standard with a sliding scale based on age.

Why should the physical standards be different when the pay is the same per billet, grade, and time in service?

I think with the transition of women into combat roles including special operations that the physical standards should be the same. Equality is not a one way street.

Females should be required to do more sit-ups

Change the run based off of height... Just not fair for someone at 5'7 have to run the same as someone at 6'7.... Do you understand how many steps I make with these short legs...j/k

It isn't really one standard if there is a sliding scale for age and gender variation is it?

If you created on minimum are you going to up everyone to the current men's score or take everyone down to the women's?

If you take everyone down, the standard is gone. If you take everyone up, then some will fail and cry foul.

The idea of a single PT regardless of gender is a little crazy and this is why they cancelled the attempt before. Either you are going to challenge the males and fail 80% of the females or not push the males to their potential. To say males and females have the same potential for strength and endurance is to ignore science.
As for the sliding scale I think the gradually increasing scale until the mid 30s does make sense as that is most people start breaking down after years of service.
finally I believe you need a standard PT test and if you want to add a combat arms branch specific PT test that can be another disqualifier for some. For most MOS' it just doesn't pass the common sense test.

The highest minimum male push-up raw score is 42 for 60 points at 17-21 age bracket. That is Score of 100 for the same female bracket.

I don't see how this can be equalized. In other words, ONLY females that score 100 on the push-up event would be able to pass at male standards.

I like the "Normalized" Test that the Marine Corps does.

There are 3 specific tests you must pass. An Upper Body with a minimum score (Pull Ups for Males, Dead Arm Hang for women), Core Test (Crunches), and a Run.

There are deviations in scoring between the testing between sexes, because men & women are different. It is unreasonable to expect women to do pull ups, because that is not a good measure of women's upper body fitness. It is unreasonable to expect the same time on the run from women, because women "as a group" are not as fast as men.

The minimum for each test remains the same regardless of age, however the TOTAL test score is higher based on age. The younger you are, the more Additional points you must get to pass (whether it from run, situps, or upper body test).

Now, as for MOS specific tests. Here is my problem with them.

Let's say you are a Infantryman, and have a required score higher than an Intel Analyst. I as an Intel Analyst went to a Infantry BN. What score do I have to get? My Platoon (S2/Scout Snipers) consisted of Infantry & Intel, and a Corpsman. The S3 down the hall from me had Infantry and Administration in it. What score would they maintain? What about communicators? The complexities, just get way out of hand way too quickly.

oh yes of course....I'm like this.....I served over 25 years just retired (medically)...I had Cervical spine surgery, I have a coming up surgery on my right shoulder, and 2 more on L arm and lower back as soon as the 1st surgery heals up...
There is no way I can deploy....as much as I want to go over and give isis a good ol fasion American ass whooping. Lets face it, no way I could even thing about passing a PT test...I'm on a cain for the rest of my life.
I don't think anyone could blame the army for telling me to hang my boots up out to pasture....but PT is what helps physically and mental. If I can't even walk a PT test...ISIS would look at me like I was crazier than a football bat for being there.
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