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SGT Robert Wager
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This question requires an actual definition of critical race theory.

Should our military universities teach the problems of race relations and slavery as it relates to history? Yes, is that history problematic? Yes. Should we teach any race to feel humiliated or guilty for the sins of their ancestors? No. We must stay vigilant to not repeat the mistakes our forefathers made. We should strive to achieve the dream of MLK and judge everyone by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.
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SMSgt Kevin Townsend
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I recall the post-Viet Nam era where there was racial strain within the Air Force. It was properly addressed, at least in my experience over 20+ years. I worked for men, women, and superiors of every race, creed, and color that existed without problem. It is Critical Race THEORY. There are a lot of theories out there on a variety of subject. I see no need to teach a theory of this kind, especially when the issue within the Air Force does not exist. (It may exist in other service; I cannot speak to that.) We need to focus our teaching on enhancing the warfighter. Our armed service exists to protect our nation and do violence to those who would threaten us. Let's just stick to that.
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Cpl Henry E Busby
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You beat me to it because I see so many using CRT as a catch all for their preconceived notions. First, one must factually define what CRT is before judging what it is. Today I am seeing so many words and phrases being redefined to suit some wacky partisan talking point instead of researching, from all sources, especially the ones that initially began a CRT curriculum. Information from its beginnings might help?

https://hunap.harvard.edu/classes/critical-race-theory-education
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SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman
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Critical Race Theory is a "catch-all" for any and all subjects that leave us "uncomfortable" (i.e. The Holocaust, The movement of the American Indians to reservations, The internment of Japanese Americans at Manzanar, The Hiroshima atom bomb). It means many different things to many different people. Were I to teach a class at the academy, I would make it clear that in 1968, my AIT electronics class of 60 students, had only one black man...and, as an E6, he made enrollment a condition for re-enlistment. In Vietnam, our signals unit had 3 black American soldiers, and they were relegated to the heat and sweat of the mess hall. Our future officers need to know the history of the US armed forces....the good....and the bad, because an effective fighting force cannot prevail if the officers are oblivious to the conditions that compromise unity.
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CPT Gerald Smith
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Well said!
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LTC Orlando Illi
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Why? What possible benefit would be gained by teaching a Marxist based theory predicated upon a questionable academic basis???
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SPC Zoe Jane Halo
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MSG Stan Hutchison Marx actually wrote fan mail to president Lincoln.
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CPL Henry Miller
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Suggest Marx biography - get to know something new.
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CW3 Charles Morris
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What possible benefit are derived from burying our collective heads in the sand?

CRT and Woke are canards used by conservatives afraid to admit our historical legacy. Our forefathers largely supported that peculiar institution, slavery. It was embedded in our constitution. We fought a Civil Was because of slavery, and even after abolishing slavery the legacy remains. It's called systemic racism.

So, I ask you, should all Americans have the same or separate but equal rights?
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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Marxist. hahahahaha
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SFC Retention Operations Nco
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I'm not for or against CRT. I stand with General Milleys response that a bunch of people chose to charge the Capitol and I don't share their POV so I don't really understand why. So I want to know what motivates them.

That's not entirely true for me personally, I grew up in the most racist place I've ever been in my entire life, Central Pennsylvania. I got chased and beat for being white, I saw people get beat for being black, and Puerto Rican, people wanted to burn crosses on our lawn, there were race riots at my school.... All that crazy stuff.

I have been the minority where everyone hates you for your skin color and it sucks. Most of America hadn't experienced that and they should learn that it exists. You should have empathy for your peers and the mud they had to crawl through to get where they are at.

I also don't agree with the schsim of CRT that believes people carry some type of race guilt. I know it's not that common, and I know that the rare occasion it pops up, the hard right news tries to use that as a cover for all CRT. You have crazies on the left that believe all white people should spend their lives atoning for the sins of their grand cousins, and you have crazies on the right who believe in things like "legitimate rape". The point is that crazy people are drawn to polarizing politics, and crazy politicians will capitalize on polarizing politics for short term gain.
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1SG Jack Crutcher
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No, it was a republican named Akin, who had won the Republican primary
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CW4 Wayne Walusiak
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1SG Jack Crutcher - Due to his runnign for office, Akin has been attacked for his EDITED remarks. Not one of the 12 web sites I searched showed more than a few of his words. SOOOO -taken out of context There are women who claim rape without it actually being so. The left wing side is here - https://time.com/3001785/todd-akin-legitimate-rape-msnbc-child-of-rape/
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1SG Jack Crutcher
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CW4 Wayne Walusiak - I am not arguing politics, I answered the question that SPC Les Darbison asked above my comment.
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MSgt Brian Williams
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CW4 Wayne Walusiak - The interview was with a St Louis TV station. His full statement was "From what I understand from doctors that such pregnanceies are really rare". He went on to say, "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down." And yes there are women who claimed rape and it wasn't the case. But in all fairness and to quote Todd Akin, it's really rare as well. And there are the unreported rapes.
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Should we be teaching Critical Race Theory in our military universities and perhaps in our leadership courses?
SSG Roger Ayscue
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History should be taught as it happened bark on and warts showing. With absolutely no shifting to either the left or right. History is History and it should stay that way.
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SGT Cass Hill
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SSG Roger Ayscue to try and say that history should be taught as it is and then to say that critical race theory is wrong is an incredible contradiction.

If you are against teaching people that the United States has and continues to structure its development in a way that excludes people of color as much as possible, and makes any kind of success as difficult as possible for people of color to survive, primarily through legislative and judicial acts, then you go ahead and stand against that, but you are a fool to do so and you've got no business pretending to be in favor of teaching history as it happened. You can't have it both ways.
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SPC Brian Mason
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Black people are still sold in majority Muslim countries. Sudan and Somalia are hot spots for black slavery.
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SSG Roger Ayscue
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SGT Cass Hill - It is not a contradiction. Teach what happened and leave the left or right out of it...Just teach History with the facts. The truth is the truth. Facts don't care about opinion or feelings.
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LTC Ray Buenteo
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Layman’s terms: CRT uses history to promote further divisiveness and attempts to shame current generations for the inhumane acts of past generations based on one’s race. CRT theorizes white people are born racist. Now this theory is racist in itself.
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MAJ Ron Peery
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No. CRT is not about social justice. It's Marxist propaganda. There are better ways of dealing with race issues than trying to tear down the Constitution for political gain.
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CPL LaForest Gray
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SFC Jerry Alexander

13TH AMENDMENT : Slavery Still Legal in America-AMERIKKKA


1.) The 13th Amendment exempts from the involuntary servitude clause persons convicted of a crime, and persons drafted to serve in the military.

2.) On April 8, 1864, according to the Library of Congress, the Senate passed the 13th Amendment on a 38 to 6 vote. But on June 15, 1864, it was defeated in the House on a 93 to 65 vote. With 23 members of Congress not voting, it failed to meet the two-thirds majority needed to pass a Constitutional amendment.Oct 12, 2018

3.) After Failing in 1865 to Ratify the 13th Amendment, Mississippi Finally Ratifies It 130 Years After its Adoption (1995)

SOURCE :

https://4thefirsttime.blogspot.com/2007/11/1995-last-state-to-abolish-slavery.html?m=1


4.) Does an Exception Clause in the 13th Amendment Still Permit Slavery?

The amendment, which officially abolished slavery in the United States in 1865, includes a loophole regarding involuntary servitude.

“In 2020, Congressional Democrats introduced a joint resolution to remove the "punishment" clause from the 13th Amendment. The resolution would need to be passed by a two-thirds majority in both houses of Congress. Then, three-quarters of states would need to approve the change for it to become federal law.”

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https://www.history.com/news/13th-amendment-slavery-loophole-jim-crow-prisons


5.) Does an Exception Clause in the 13th Amendment Still Permit Slavery?
The amendment, which officially abolished slavery in the United States in 1865, includes a loophole regarding involuntary servitude.
Oct 2, 2018

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https://www.history.com/news/13th-amendment-slavery-loophole-jim-crow-prisons

*** this a repost from myself, because ya are tooooo comfortable with the status quo ***
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CPL LaForest Gray
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SFC Jerry Alexander

14TH & 15TH Amendments :

The Black Codes and Jim Crow Laws

After the United States Civil War, state governments that had been part of the Confederacy tried to limit the voting rights of black citizens and prevent contact between black and white citizens in public places.

Black codes and Jim Crow laws were laws passed at different periods in the southern United States to enforce racial segregation and curtail the power of black voters.

After the Civil War ended in 1865, some states passed black codes that severely limited the rights of black people, many of whom had been enslaved. These codes limited what jobs African Americans could hold, and their ability to leave a job once hired. Some states also restricted the kind of property black people could own.

The Reconstruction Act of 1867 weakened the effect of the black codes by requiring all states to uphold equal protection under the 14th Amendment, particularly by enabling black men to vote. (U.S. law prevented women of any race from voting in federal elections until 1920.)

During Reconstruction, many black men participated in politics by voting and by holding office. Reconstruction officially ended in 1877, and southern states then enacted more discriminatory laws. Efforts to enforce white supremacy by legislation increased, and African Americans tried to assert their rights through legal challenges. However, this effort led to a disappointing result in 1896, when the Supreme Court ruled, in Plessy v. Ferguson, that so-called “separate but equal” facilities—including public transport and schools—were constitutional. From this time until the Civil Rights Act of 1964, discrimination and segregation were legal and enforceable.

One of the first reactions against Reconstruction was to deprive African-American men of their voting rights. While the 14th and 15th Amendments prevented state legislatures from directly making it illegal to vote, they devised a number of indirect measures to disenfranchise black men. The grandfather clause said that a man could only vote if his ancestor had been a voter before 1867—but the ancestors of most African-Americans citizens had been enslaved and constitutionally ineligible to vote. Another discriminatory tactic was the literacy test, applied by a white county clerk. These clerks gave black voters extremely difficult legal documents to read as a test, while white men received an easy text.

Finally, in many places, white local government officials simply prevented potential voters from registering. By 1940, the percentage of eligible African-American voters registered in the South was only three percent. As evidence of the decline, during Reconstruction, the percentage of African-American voting-age men registered to vote was more than 90 percent.

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https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/black-codes-and-jim-crow-laws/
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CPL LaForest Gray
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Executive Order 10925, signed by “President John F. Kennedy on March 6, 1961, required government contractors to "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed and that employees are treated during employment without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin."

https://www.dol.gov/ofccp/regs/statutes/eo11246.htm


Brown vs. Board of education was a court case where the Supreme court  made it illegal to have separate schools. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 made it illegal to treat others differently because of the race, gender, color, religion and national origin. The Voting Rights Act  of 1965 made it illegal to discriminate against people who wanted to vote. The combination of these major national laws led to the end of Jim Crow.

Passed by Congress on January 31, 1865, and ratified on December 6, 1865, the 13th amendment abolished slavery in the United States. The 13th amendment, which formally abolished slavery in the United States, passed the Senate on April 8, 1864, and the House on January 31, 1865.

57 years since its signing as of 2021 ... not that long ago.
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Jim Crow Laws 2.0

‘Jim Crow 2.0’: Anger as Florida becomes latest state to reduce voting access
April 27, 2021

SOURCE :

https://www.yahoo.com/news/jim-crow-2-0-anger-135141895.html

What does Jim Crow 2.0 mean? A look at the history of segregation laws

POLITICS
By AJC Staff
May 25, 2021

SOURCE :

https://www.ajc.com/politics/what-does-jim-crow-20-mean-a-look-at-the-history-of-segregation-laws/NNCS3B7I2ZDPNCVQ3IKU6BVI5E/

*** this a repost from myself, because people are tooooo comfortable with the status quo ***
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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Marxist hahahaha
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Calling someone a redneck is a racist as calling someone a wetback or ni….! Can’t risk using the n word least someone of thin skin become overwhelmed with hatred
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LTC Ray Buenteo
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And Biden was the answer? Biden is everything you described trump. Reading doesn’t imply. Knowledge.
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LTC Ray Buenteo
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I voted trump and I was in education for 24 years, I have a MA ED Psych., consider myself intelligent, and lived in cities and suburbs. Gues I’m an argument against your presumption.
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LTC Ray Buenteo
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The american press or any press is not the most impartial source. American media and press are a political party supporting the left and they make no denial.
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No. CRT has no place anywhere unless there’s a place that you WANT to stir up hatred or fear based on skin color. For those who believe it isn’t actually taught anywhere because they don’t see a class labeled CRT, it is not a class, it is a framework for viewing the world and teaching nearly anything. A framework that says based on your skin color you are either an oppressor or oppressed. I don’t think we should whitewash history, we should learn about the evils of slavery, and how evil it is to judge any group based on their race and not their actions or the content of their character. The idea that a person who was never harmed should be made to feel a victim, while a person who never caused harm should be made to feel wrong, based on their skin color, is fundamentally opposed to the goals of civil rights heroes like Nelson Mandela and MLK JR. Put me in the camp of people who believe that racism has no place in polite society, regardless of whether the motivation (even if you believe that the form of racism against people today is somehow correcting past racism committed by people in the past).
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SFC Jerry Alexander
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13th Amendment - Abolished slavery. Supported by 100% of the Republicans and 23% of the Democrats.

15th Amendment - Right to vote for all. Supported by 100% of the Republicans and 0% of the Democrats..

14th Amendment - Citizenship for freed slaves. Supported by 94% of the Republicans and 0% of the Democrats.
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SFC Jerry Alexander 100%, but don’t let facts get in the way of the narrative! Dems get around this with the fictional “great switch” hypothesis. The irony is that democratic policies have destroyed low income families (which has disproportionately affected black Americans), and their victimhood ideology continues to oppress minorities.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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So, throw history out the window.
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Can anyone who is opposed to CRT actually define it, or have read any of the material?
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TSgt Ken Vandevoort
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When I was in junior college, CRT meant Cathode Ray Tube. We read the material. It was a RCA manual.
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Sgt Tony Kollmorgan
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Wow, this site is reflective of the propaganda of the uninformed and a bastion of hopelessness. UNSCUBSCRIBE from stupidity.
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CRT is garbage and only divides us. The US Military is not the place to try social projects. We are here for one reason and that’s to defend the constitution. We are real warriors, not SJW.
MAJ Ken Landgren
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The right wants to make victims of the white people in history. lol
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PVT Mark Whitcomb
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The military is supposed to function as a unit. I do not believe teaching theories of any kind is beneficial to the mission. I believe the government is devaluing people by putting them into categories. We are all of one race..The Human race. I doubt the person next to you in a foxhole cares about CRT. That person, like me, only cares that we can cover our ground. I'll let those behind a desk figure out their priorities. Mine is covering my assigned area.
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SPC John Tacetta I freely admit I get a bit abrasive when people who have never done what I’ve done for almost two decades try to tell me how to do it
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SFC Thomas Foreman - It is sometimes hard to suffer a fool.
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SFC Thomas Foreman - A little bit of the old Army shining through, it seems.
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Sgt Randy Morley
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Of course not. Why should one be taught that his skin color is bad and that it is the reason for the racism, social injustice, income inequity, and every other Liberal imaginary victim group problem. Why should one be taught his country is bad and racist? Why all the blame on being white and living white? I am not a traitor to my race and I believe in PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, bootstrapping and the Grace of God for my success. I dont blame anybody for my own personal failures. Our adversaries are being taught to fight and win the next engagement and are also laughing at us because of the woke, CRT/diversity diversion from what is real and what the military should be about. The latest Afghan fiasco should be a case in point. The woke, snowflake, LBGT, whiner with rights individual has already compromised themselves in regard to good discipline and order. Just ask a special ops type person or an old timer vet or recently retired service member. We need strength, not pussies.
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SPC Lyle Montgomery
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I agree with Sgt Randy Morley. Great answer
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SSG Bill McCoy
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You're correct. All CRT does in the end, is promote a mindset of victimhood, and promotes divisive ideologies. Indeed, the Chinese & Russions, et al ... including our allies have to be laughing at our promotion of diversity over combat effectiveness.
While the study of CRT *MIGHT* be suitable as a discussion of how it promotes one class over another; VILIFIES one race/any race or more importantly, how it promotes the tenets of Marxist ideology of dividing groups with a profoundly exaggerated means.
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