Posted on Sep 11, 2021
SGT Jose Perdelia-Torres
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Please do not comment if you are still serving in the Military in some capacity; a/o where potentially your job, livelihood, or position could be at risk.
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MAJ Karl Swenson
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All right. I thought I knew about Critical Race Theory, but apparently I do not judging from the variety of comments here. So I did some research - just a tad bit - and found a couple of articles that appear to be pretty good. Both come from the legal field. The first was written in 1998, when CRT was still a fledgling field; the other in January of 2021. Spend some time with them, I think you will find them enlightening.
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https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1238&context=cjlpp
Second https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/civil-rights-reimagining-policing/a-lesson-on-critical-race-theory/
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The second article is really really good. It focuses more on systems than people and that’s, to me, the crux here. Of course, so many of the people that *need* to read it never will, or they’ll click on the link and their brain will just go “Marx Marx Marx Marx”
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I’m not surprised that much of what you found came from scholarly legal articles as that’s the portion of academia CRT came from.
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SGT Bruce Savage
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Yeah, thinking anything coming from the "legal field" gives anything more credibility is a big mistake.
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MSgt George Murray
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Absolutely not.
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As a parent with 1/2 Chinese children and partnered with a Chinese woman who is way past successful by any reasonable measure I am often reminded her race's plight in the white man's world. In that when she bought her home the closing documents reference that the anti property ownership laws against Asians was struck down my the Supreme Court. Since the laws were not taken off the books at that time (probably forgotten) that disclosure had to be documented during the title process.

As well, when the African American's vote was worth 1/2 that of a white man's an Asian's vote was worth only 1/3.

Some races have moved more successfully beyond their suppression than others. When some races were being freed of their shackles others where being suppressed even further.

Those that seem to focus on critical race theory overly focus on races that are critical to themselves.
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SPC John Tacetta
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Sgt James Dare - James: It's a lot to cover. Your references refer to the spirit within the opening sentences of the Declaration of Independence, prior to the listing of specific grievances, and Lincoln's rough handling of the Constitution. I agree wholeheartedly with both of these presentations. I present the first three sentences of the Declaration of Independence for your consideration.

1) When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

2) We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

3) That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Jefferson's presentation in sentence 3), above, that it is the "Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government" is the heart of our discussion. Generally, and hopefully, this is accomplished through the electoral process, but clearly this injunction does not preclude a violent process (see the Second Amendment).

So, when the electoral process produced Lincoln, the southern States rejected Lincoln and formed the Confederacy (which is somewhat topical considering the events of "January 6th"). Lincoln was rejected (along with the Union) because he was aligned with those factions that rejected the expansion of SLAVERY and did not shy from the abolitionists. Ipso facto, the underlying reasons for the formation of the Confederacy were the restrictions on SLAVERY that the Federal government was poised to impose on them, all against their will; the Confederacy was formed so that the practice of SLAVERY could continue unabated, without interference from the Federal government. I say again, the cause of the South's secession was SLAVERY and that's what produced the fight.

Clearly the Confederate States felt their actions were in conformance with the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, but just as clearly the Federal Government (the Union) felt otherwise. The funny thing about federalism is that it's a distributed form of sovereignty. From the top to bottom it runs President, Governor, County Executive, Town Supervisor, Mayor and Councilman (or local variations of the same). Federalism is enshrined in the founding documents of our Republic (our form of democracy). Well, after four tearful years the precedent was established that individual States do not have the right to secede from the Union, no more than any town does. Thats a period there: do not pass Go, do not collect $100.

As to Lincoln, yes he had major flaws (see his suspension of Habeus Corpus), but less so than most other presidents, so that why he's counted among the Great and not the least. Really, a lot can be said about Lincoln, but that's grist for another day.

Well, that's run over hill and dale, but to the point(s)! The South seceded from the Union because it refused to accept restrictions on SLAVERY. SLAVERY. Lincoln was a dick, but he was a Great Dick that preserved the Union. A State cannot secede from the Union, unless it has significantly more firepower than the Federal government.

P.s.: You can hide what you can, but ultimately you have to pay the price (your taxes). Often Social Security is all that awaits you in your retirement, so there is some sweet to it.
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SPC John Tacetta
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Sgt James Dare - Absolutely, Fort Sumter was, and is, WITHIN South Carolina. Regardless, it was "owned", as much as anyone can own property, by the Federal Government. Lincoln was very careful to remove Federal troops from the surrounding area into the Fort. Perhaps Lincoln was cunning, but the truth is, if so, that Confederate forces took the bait and definitively fired the first shots of the war. The Confederacy started it; the Union finished it. I'm sorry if that saddens you.

Please review your force structure, because the Federal army only numbered about 15,000 men at the start of hostilities, not a large standing army by any measure. This is the reason that State militias (e.g., the 93rd New York Infantry and the 20th Maine Infantry Regiment) played such an important role in the conflict. See, among others:
https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences-and-law/political-science-and-government/military-affairs-nonnaval/union-army
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SPC John Tacetta
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Sgt James Dare - James: Clearly you're opposed to my views. I'd love to hear your thoughts on what the Civil War was about or why it started. Please be specific and let me know which "States' Rights" you are considering if that's your rationale. I await enlightenment, the truth... will set me free.
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SPC John Tacetta
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Sgt James Dare - Haha, thanks! Floats like a butterfly and stings like a bee!
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SSG Dave Johnston
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Food for thought:
There are two African nations, whose history dates back over 3000 years, Egypt, and Ethiopia...
Africans sold Africans into slavery long before the founding of America...
Africans sold Africans into slavery to Arab slave traders...
Arab slave traders sold those slaves to the highest bidders...
Spain, Portugal, France, England, et'al, brought those slaves to their respective colonies...
In the US, the "Fugitive Slave Act" of 1850 was one of the most despicable laws ever passed in the US...
The years between 1878 and 1965 was the most aggress period in American History...
The major difference between the Antebellum era and Socialism is the "Taskmaster"
The idea that we, the "Children of Today", are responsible for the "Sins of our Fathers", when that "sin" was an accepted societal norm for the era I find ludicrous...
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Alexander Earlheart
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Correct, sir! 100%
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LCpl Paul Miller
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Let's go brandon! Shovel that CRT shit.
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PO3 J.W. Nelson
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LMDAO !!!!!
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SSG Sherwin Richardson
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I am a retiree. I stand with teaching truth. We have all been taught revisionist history throughout our grade school years. That needs to change. And everyone should at least find out what CRT is before they comment on the topic. It has been taught in many colleges and universities for decades. That being said, I fully support it.
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PO1 Sam Deel
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" It has been taught in many colleges and universities for decades."
Guess who espoused racial superiority in the past? Yeppers, those same institutions. Unlike the Good Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr., all they have done is reversed the targets of their angst. CRT does not allow for any discussion about my Irish ancestors who came to the American Colonies as slaves, or the incarceration of our Native Brothers and Sisters onto the reservations. Since you speak of revisionist history, why does CRT not address the 'Lost Cause'? You do realize that was created by the 'Carpetbaggers' as a means of vilifying the Confederate struggle to prevent its reemergence, don't you?

CRT is geared for a single race to use as a reason for their lot in life. It takes a disingenuous approach to propagate the false narrative that this race was the only one who struggled the travails of oppression. No one holds ownership to that as we have all been held in that struggle. The Black and White of this argument is not of skin color, not of race. It is at the very crux of why evil exists. We are in the battle betwixt the Darkness and the Light.
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CMSgt Elbert E. Clayton
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There were no Irish slaves brought to America. They may have come as "Indentured Servants" for a certain contractual time period, and felt they were treated as slaves, but their voyage over was a step or two above Slave Ships. The Civil War was fought over Slave States believed rights to own human beings of the African Continents. Those States lost that Civil War and any right to claim "States Rights" as the primary cause of the conflict. Natives of this continent prior to the late 1300s and early 1400s fought each other, enslaved each other, and fought wars amongst themselves to protect or gain territory. The difference was that when they enslaved someone, the enslaved person could be and often was freed for reasons each tribe felt were appropriate. I do agree the human race is not an example to follow when discussing Slavery, but persons of Black DNA have more reasons than most to desire their travails be taught to K-12 children in hopes that some of the white hatred will be dissipated over the next few years. By teaching CRT in K-12 schools at an earlier age, young college level students will enter without ingrained ideas inculcated by centuries of false narratives to justify human Slavery.
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CMSgt Elbert E. Clayton
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When I used the word "America", I assumed that most people of intelligence would understand that meant The United States of America which was long after the historical period you quote as a reference for "Irish" slavery. Human slavery was practiced since this planet was inhabited by the first Human (you can choose how that occurred). However, my comment refers to human slavery practiced by the United States of America.
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TSgt Jonathan (Chris) Watson
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Absolutely not. The military should never be a social experiment. Since I enlisted in 92 I have witnessed how the sociologists and progressive elements have sought to degrade readiness with counterproductive policies that, in their extreme, gets people killed. The concept and allegations of racism was used to selectively bludgeon the majority, while real and egregious examples were often swept under the rug. CRT is rooted in cultural Marxism that is antithetical to the very oath we all took. It is driving the Stalinist and Maoist purges of the ranks currently and more aggressively than the political purging under Clinton. If service teaches us anything, it is that servicemembers should see each other as "green" Brothers and sisters first and foremost.
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SPC Darren Coffenberry
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CRT is a bunch of racist bullcrap. written by a racist to incite more racism against white people. I stand with those who stormed the Capitol, only it should have been handled differently. What if the Boston Tea Party never happened? we would be serving the lazy Queen and her family. I am sorry but if you believe that book of horse sh#t i feel sorry for you. Also the General is insane and should be removed from his position immediately. Patriots built this country and formed our REPUBLIC, not the idiots we have in Washington today. Biden is a complete and utter failure and he should have been impeached on day one. Also RIP to Betty White!
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Respectfully disagree with your views on virtually everything except your last sentence... "Also RIP to Betty White!"... but respect your right to state it.
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SPC Darren Coffenberry
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SGT (Join to see) - No worries SGT, we can't always as humans agree with everything. Personalities differ but i view both sides and then render a decision. Thank you for your response!
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SPC Lyle Montgomery
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Right on SFC Coffenberry
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SGT Stephen Jaffe
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No. The teaching of CRT teaches people to distrust and dislike each other based on race. I was in the US Army from Feb. 1965 - Oct. 1968. Feb. 1965 was during the beginning of the civil rights era. When I arrived at Ft. Jackson and all of us trainees were in our first formation at the reception station, it was explained that only one color was relevant. Army green. The NCO in charge said that if someone objected to this, let him know and he would see about getting the individual or individuals discharged as being unsuitable for military service.
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