Posted on Jun 28, 2014
MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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http://goatlocker.org/resources/nav/shipshe.htm

Naval ships have historically been referred to as, "She". A bit confusing when the ship is named after Ronald Reagan or Abraham Lincoln, but I'm willing to roll with it. Does anyone else feel differently?
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CMC Robert Young
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If you have not served, you don't get a vote. Sorry, but those are the rules.
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PO1 Disaster Survivor Assistance Specialist
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Hey....I like the cut of your jib there Master Chief!
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CPO John Denton
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No she is part of long standing nomenclature for ships.  Every sailor knows that a ship is just like a lady in that if you take good care of her she'll take good care of you.
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SSgt Laura Middleton
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Oh good grief!! I've been a female for almost 63 yrs and I HATE politically correct terminology.

I don't mind them being called "she/her". What confuses me and my Navy (now retired) Son couldn't get it in my head as to why some are boats and most are ships. ;-)
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SSGT Laura Middleton
Simple! If it can be loaded on a ship - it's a boat!
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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Hate to remind you Petty Officer Medley, but by tradition all Submarines, yes even the Tridents, are still called BOATS. I would hate to try to load something the same size as a Cruiser on a Carrier.
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Ahh...very true. But according to history, the first submarines were actually loaded upon ships to transfer to/from their original diving and movement locations - they were not the large and preponderous vehicles they are today.
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PO2 Michael Lopez
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As a former Bubblehead, Submarines are called "Boat's" because back in the day the surface Admirals wouldn't allow a small,ugly sewer pipe with a screw on the end, the Honor of being a ship. I am enormously proud of the three boats i served on. The Billfish (SSN-676) The Pennsylvania (SSBN-735B) And the Dallas (SSN700) They were all my ladies. And i loved all three of them. They brought us home every time.
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LTC Operations Officer (Opso)
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I think we should just call them boats.... ;-)
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MSG Reid Zohfeld
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The Ship can be called She!!! This I believe is the undermining of the tradition in the military and in Public life. My daughter decided to become a Firefighter, I made it clear to her that there is nothing wrong being called a Fireman. If you look at the word Man and Woman they both have Man in it. Should we change the name of woman to something else?
I find it sad that tradition does not mean much to the young ones in MY Military Yes I said MY Military!
The PC world has nixed several traditions Because of the few who did not like them.
The one I can remember is changing the term double tap to control pair REALLY. (again PC)
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PO2 Bruce Mckay
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Interesting,so if your not airborne your a dirty nasty leg?
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PO2 Mark Saffell
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This look like a boat to you?
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CPO Bill Penrod
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C'mon Mark you've never be on liberty and said "I'm going back to the boat......"
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LT John Stevens
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There is no good reason to employ politically correct language to assuage the angst of a small number of radical feminists. As far as I know, the majority of female military personnel have opposed politically driven changes to traditions regarding the use of terms, names, and language. In many contexts, the use of gender pronouns is intended to be inclusive of both and used to avoid difficult constructs in language use such as "he/she" or "he or she." The use of such language is not intended to offend and no offense should be read into such use of language.
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PO2 Robert Moore
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referencing a vessel as she. Been going on for millennia. Now it "bothers" some folk. Must have run out of things to complain about. LOL.
I call my truck a "she". I love my truck. My wife is not bothered, jealous or even offended by it.
So let's counter......should we start referring to vessels, rifles and vehicles as "He"? If someone can state a valid reason, I might go along with it. But.....validity is lost in most arguments these days. Tends toward the "bigger mob" rule. Usually led by, and membered by.....excuse me for a second..... (aehuumm) Morons with no reals sense of purpose.
I stole this excerpt from a Wikipedia input.
"Reference to a ship as "She" is a personification of an object, not an objectification of women. It is one used in reverence, for example as in "Mother-ship" exemplifying the nurturing role of a ship to the safety of its crew. It bestows an empowering rather than derogatory idea of femininity to counterbalance what was traditionally masculine world. Like in all things balance is required."
I find it extremely offensive, that many of my fellow Americans, are so offended by historical and seemingly benign characterizations.....some that are meant for expressing honor or love....and they being turned into demagoguery and hateful discourse....to further someone's agenda to drive hatred towards another group. OK....maybe I'll step on the land mine. But here goes. I'm tough.
Though I am an ardent supporter of equal rights for all, and to include women and equal pay and all of that. I am suspicious of these commentaries as just attacks from folks like man hating feminists who would rather that women rule over men with an iron fist.....and their idiotic male supporters who aren't smart enough to see that the bandwagon they jumped on is a meat slaughter house.
How's that for offense??
Fair winds and following seas, folks. Me and Betsy must head off to earn our pay now.
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1LT Platoon Leader
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Personally Sir this doesn't bother me at all. I always saw it as tradition and just went with the flow. However, I do understand that it may offend some people but at the same time I think that we can only be so politically correct until we are just being overly sensitive as a society and I think that we are reaching that point if we haven't crossed it yet.
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SPC Reports Clerk
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That's a ridiculous question. There are some traditions that should never change. It could only be offensive to the MOST ridiculously sensitive tree-huggers. Political Correctness has already gone too far as it is.
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PO1 Disaster Survivor Assistance Specialist
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ok.......it's on you...you can take a hint or not....dueces
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SPC Reports Clerk
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I can take a hint AND I know a troll when I see one. NEVER expected to run into one here.
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SPC PO1 (Join to see) is no troll. He was merely trying to assess who you were. We all identify ourselves and show our faces.
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It isn't difficult. As I said, my profile shows my dates of service which ended in 2012. It also says VETERAN clear as day AND there's a V next to my name just like yours.
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PFC Mike Lombard
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OK, People. This is stupid. Check your history. Sailors have always called their vessels she, as they considered their ships as their wives, or mistresses. They loved their vessels, and knew that they had to treat them with love and respect. That's why the figurehead was usually carved in the likeness of a beautiful woman. As man started to travel the world by other means, he continued to name his vessels after women, and for the same reasons. All of this PC bullshit has gotten so far out of hand lately, it's sickening.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Yes it is :-)
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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This discussion was meant as a satire to that very point PFC Mike Lombard If you want some real good stuff, please check out the 2LT saluting a 1LT discussion - its a doozy!
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CPO John Denton
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People name things after people and things they respect. In times of old the most powerful and beautiful things people owned were called she and given womens names. Powerful guns were called betsy or referred to as she. Fast, powerful good looking cars were given womens names or called she anything men loved or thought any thing of were give a womans name or called she. I would think women would be honored to have something so powerful and beautiful as a ship call she!
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LT Stephen Amiaga
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Are you serious?
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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The post is actually satirical in nature as I was tired of the debate over the Redskins name and "political correctness"
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LT Stephen Amiaga
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Right and we should un-name Apaches, Black Hawks and Chinooks. Total lunacy.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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CMSgt James Nolan
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Hurt feelings cards need to be put away.

Or, while we are at it, we should cancel Christmas-oh wait, we are headed in that direction right now.

So confusing.....
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Christmas? You guys on AD get Christmas now? When did that happen? Next thing you're gonna tell me is they no longer keel-haul you for minor offenses and do something wimpish....like maybe some sort of administrative punishment.....I don't know, but it doesn't sound ....... good.
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