Posted on Nov 10, 2013
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With the fight for equality in the military and the recent decision by the Army to open combat arms MOS's to women in the Army, being so much in the news and discussion, do you think that women of the required Selective Service age group should be made to register as their male counterparts are?
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<p>I go a little off target and say that I think our country as a whole would benefit more - if all individuals had to enter the military right after high school.&nbsp; I know some would appose this but let me provide some reasoning.</p><p><br></p><p>If our young people were allowed this 'opportunity' and sent overseas after their initial tech training has been completed - they would gain a more 'global'&nbsp;perspective of the situations and people different then they grew up around.</p><p><br></p><p>They would have the opportunity to learn a 'trade' that if they did decide the military wasn't for them&nbsp;they could get into civilian employment a little easier with some experience under their belts.</p><p><br></p><p>We would have a 'positive' way to help break up gang activity by separating those type individuals from those groups and placing them far away from that negative influence for a log period of time which could possible change their life around for the better.</p><p><br></p><p>Plus, it would make them all appreciate what they here in the United States.</p><p><br></p><p>Just my thoughts.</p>
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SSG Kenneth Lanning
SSG Kenneth Lanning
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You also have to consider the fact that recruiters are hell bent just trying to find people who make weight and tape and can run their fat asses around a track for 8 laps...countries like Korea who have a required service also have it instilled in them since birth to work for a living-not seek government aid and be lazy for a living.
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SPC Rob Robinson
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Spc 1 J W. -
I was drafted in the sixth week of my marriage in 1967, took a lot of heat for being "US" in an "RA" world. I earned positions among the top three men in my BCT Company and AIT Company, Infantry, in combined mental and physical tests at Fts. Ord and Polk, earning Expert Designation in Pistol and Mortar. I missed Expert in Rifle by one hit, something I will take with me to the grave.

So personally, I won't listen to a lot of 'noise' about the inherent inferiority of the draftee vs. the RA trooper. I gave as good as I got, and excelled.

Where I have to stand back one rank is in the lifetime dedication of those men I served with who chose to make the Army their career. I respect that as one who watches something and says, "There's no way I could do that." My hat is off to you soldiers that did that.

But I will not accept Second Place to any man based on US vs. RA, unless it is proven to me on the parade ground, the training ground, in the jungle or in the bar or in the parking lot after the bar.
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SSG Edward Tilton
SSG Edward Tilton
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Spc 1 J W. - I was a drill Sergeant and AIT Instructor in the Army when we had a draft. If you can’t handle volunteers perhaps you are the problem
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SGT David Schrader
SGT David Schrader
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I was a volunteer during the draft era.
My drill Sergeants and AIT drill Sergeants treated us all the same regardless of our status and there wasn’t any animosity between us trainees no pissing and moaning. One trainee screws up, we all paid for it.
Equal opportunity employment,
You gotta love it.
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SFC William Swartz Jr
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Yes, they should. With the inclusion now of females into the formerly all-male Combat Arms MOS's and the ability to serve in direct combat with the enemy, there should be no reason why they should not have to register just like myself, and my sons all had to. With almost every financial aid application and federal job application, that question is asked of males, time that females have it as a requirement as well.
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1SG Johnny Carter
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The program should go away. It really has no purpose in todays sociaty.
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Amen Top!
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SGT David Schrader
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I don’t see any problem with a ready reserve draft.
Top is correct as to not having any purpose in today’s society especially because of the way our society is turning into Woke society. Unfortunately, our military is having wokeness forced on them.
I wouldn’t wish for anyone to be forced into a draft with the direction that our military is now being forced into wokeness and CRT.
Very unfortunate and dangerous
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Should women of military age now be required to register for the Selective Service Program (Draft)?
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I dont agree with forcing people to join the military in time of need. Those are the ones who pose threats because they dont agree with the war and they dont want to be there, and frankly I dont want to serve with anyone that doesnt want to be here. However, since there is such a thing, I do believe females and males should both be applicable for the SSP. BUT I want to say that if that's the case, open all the jobs up to women, you cant say equal opportunity when it's not equal across the board. Combat roles should be open to anyone who wants to fight regardless of gender. I dont care how anyone else feels about it, the point of a draft is for boots on the ground, so fill them.
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Great post SGT.
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SFC Fire Support Specialist
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Nice to get a female Soldier's perspective. Combat Arms MOS's have been approved for women in the Army. The entire range of MOS selection will be fully co-ed by the end of 2016 as far as I am tracking at the moment. I will look up exact dates that have been published and post them here for you SGT Johnson. 
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SFC Fire Support Specialist
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SGT Johnson the last date I have been able to find for the final division to make combat arms MOS to be completely co-ed is 3rd quarter of 2016. 
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I think that whole selective service needs to go away. For years we have been an all volunteer service so I say lets leave it that way.
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SrA Derek Neuts
SrA Derek Neuts
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It does seem out-of-place now, a back-door for conscripted service, if need be.  It's not truly a volunteer force with it in place, and it's not truly a volunteer force if people can't leave if it's not an organizational fit.  British and Canadian models allow for a voluntary termination of service if it doesn't work out, but there may be a wait, and during a time of war, that won't be possible.  They'd have to wait until (if) they get back, first.
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Agreed. If we force people to serve are we still defending "freedom"?
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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It's only fair to males to make women register for selective service but I don't like it!

This EO stuff is really getting old!
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I'm right there with you SGT Woods. I don't think it is a needed program anymore though. 
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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SFC Day I agree it isn't necessary but I can see how unfair it is to males. To be fair (the way "military fairness" is being shoved down our throats these days) the Army should also now allow males to wear ASU skirts and a hair bun. Latrines and barracks should be gender neutral and next they'll be requiring women to get prostate exams lol. Why does the military keep acting as if there aren't two different genders in the world?! Sorry, just my vent lol.
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SSG Laureano Pabon
SSG Laureano Pabon
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SSG Woods first congratulations on your promotion to E-6.

I understand what you mean with your comment, but really look at my profile picture that I have now. Image me with buns and skirt. I would be the laugh of the century.  lol

But as interesting as it may sound, let me say that in my time when we wore the OD Green uniforms, I did see the uniforms that were selected and one was the BDU, which I hoped for and we got, but another I believe appeared to be a skirt. Now if we would have worn a skirt like the Irish do, I think my military career would have been short lived. Another was a cap with a feather that popped up about 2 feet high from the hat. In stead the military went with the cam BDU and Ranger cam hat. Lucky me. Stay focused, because when a male SM make suggestions doesn't mean that a female SM or officer are going to agree or allow inequality to happen.

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SSG V. Michelle Woods
SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Thank you kindly SSG Pabon.

I understand and agree. I was just being sarcastic because the Army is being ridiculous with this equality nonsense.

I find your profile picture to be a charming feature of a fine young male Soldier. I am glad you are not wearing buns or a skirt ;) But really thank you for the feedback, it is always appreciated and heeded. 
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SSG Ron Davis
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The answer is yes if it is a matter of equality for all citizens.&nbsp; I am a proponent of the 2 year conscript like Israel has in place.&nbsp; It would foster a degree of selflessness that appears to be missing in the current generation.&nbsp; Also, the politicians would think twice before sending the military into harms way for political means that are not in line with this countries well being.&nbsp; That is assuming of course, that the government is aligned with its people.
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SrA Derek Neuts
SrA Derek Neuts
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Is it really selflessness inasmuch as it is a disdain with how soldiers are being used as political pawns?  Research conducted by the Army has concluded that potential recruits are really considering the military as a job, not so much as a way of life anymore.  They want quality of life, they are looking for something "civilian" in nature, as far as workplace qualities are concerned, and this may be unrealistic.  However, if the military is unable to recruit because people are not willing to be treated like cattle, abused, and degraded for the sake of collectivism and acculturation, then they have a problem on their hands.  Younger generations are starting to see through the recruiting pamphlets and taking notice of the scores of vets who are getting out of the service incompatible with society, which varies according to their military occupation.  Our society is changing rapidly, and it really creates a contrast between what we were willing to put up with as far as a military lifestyle was concerned and what the younger generation is willing to accept.  However, in a time of war, we all need to ban together and operate as a single machine against a threat.  These are indeed complicated issues that I've been closely tracking for the past several years.  Recruiting research is some pretty interesting stuff when you see how the military resists social change and then, when the trend is nearly outdated, they adapt to bring numbers up.  Only by then, it's too late.
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If we want every citizen to be a riflemen we should provide everyone a few weeks of training and send them home. Mandatory service will just create more entitlement because everyone will be a veteran.
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LTC Jason Bartlett
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Absolutely. 
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I think it would be worth discussing, but first we'd have to discuss if the draft was a real possibility in todays political environment.
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SFC Fire Support Specialist
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I understand that we aren't in a "draft environment" at the moment MSG. However, we males are still required by law to register. I am just curious as to whether we, as a whole, think that females should be required to as well. I'm curious whether opening combat arms MOS's to females changes the "popular" opinion on the matter. I agree that it is definitely worth discussing. I'm still not sure whether I think they should or not. Suppose I'm a little "on the fence" on the topic.
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SGM Matthew Quick
SGM Matthew Quick
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It's the law that women do not have to register...now that women are allowed on the front lines, the law can now be amended.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
CH (CPT) Heather Davis
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MSG(P) Quick:


This will take two generations to effectively integrate it is not that easily done. I integrated in 88 to a all male unit. I was the first female in the unit and I look back and I had no support.


The psychological impact it has on how Leaders talk to their subordinates. I was dealing with resistance and I did not have a mentor or any clue that I was already being set-up for failure.


Group dynamics have a vital part in whether an individual succeeds.

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Hell, I'll sign up right now!
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Good to know SSG.
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SFC James Young
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You more than likely have been in over 4 years....so you do not need to sign up for selective service. Wanna change your MOS to 11B? Why oh why would you do that? I don't wish that on anyone. Lol. Jk do what you gotta do and good luck doing it!
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SSG Robert Burns
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I'm confused as to why I haven't seen or heard of any rallies demanding this right for women.
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CH (CPT) Heather Davis
CH (CPT) Heather Davis
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SSG Broadbent:


That is exactly the mindset that I am talking about.

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SSG Cannon Crew Member
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Its almost laughable that you did not like that comment, saying that people should work for what they get instead of aving it given to them because of "their differences" is a bad thing? Smh,  sure. Ill take your thumbs down, put it in my pocket and go back to work so free loaders can continue to benefit from my hard work... Smh, thats crazy.
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PO1 Kerry French
PO1 Kerry French
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LOL SSG!
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PO1 Kerry French
PO1 Kerry French
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It's like the rally a bunch of dimwitted smelly hippy women had at the Cesspool called Evergreen College (WA State) to be able to go topless like the guys... They were all wearing see through shirts with no bras and as soon as the guys were leering and yanking their shirts off as they walked toward them, they all got shy! Careful what you wish for girls!
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