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I would so no, yes, kind of, maybe.....
In the sense you are still subject to recall, and you DID serve actively, then sure your still in.
In the sense you have any other military responsibility other then to remain alive and locatable, no.
In the sense you are still subject to recall, and you DID serve actively, then sure your still in.
In the sense you have any other military responsibility other then to remain alive and locatable, no.
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MSG Brad Sand
LCDR (Join to see) - and SGM Erik Marquez
I think you may be blurring the lines between the Retired Reserve and the Individual Ready Reserve? When we retire, we are all automatically placed/transferred into the Retired Reserves but Individual Ready Reserve is normally part of one's initially Military Service Obligation? Yes, there are some unique exceptions to this...normally in the medical fields...but the VAST majority of the IRR is first termers finishing out their eight year obligation. Of course Commissioned Officers can add an additional wrinkle to this be not resigning their commission and finding themselves in the IRR way beyond the 8 year IMSO. Additionally, so enlisted can extend or reenlist in the IRR...but this normally used facilitate transferring to a TPU.
Those groups can be called up in time of National emergency, and if one reads the order authorizing President G. W. Bush right after 11 Sept. 2001, he was authorized to call the entirety of both Reserves to active duty BUT I think for those of us retired, we are no longer eligible for recall at age 60?
I think you may be blurring the lines between the Retired Reserve and the Individual Ready Reserve? When we retire, we are all automatically placed/transferred into the Retired Reserves but Individual Ready Reserve is normally part of one's initially Military Service Obligation? Yes, there are some unique exceptions to this...normally in the medical fields...but the VAST majority of the IRR is first termers finishing out their eight year obligation. Of course Commissioned Officers can add an additional wrinkle to this be not resigning their commission and finding themselves in the IRR way beyond the 8 year IMSO. Additionally, so enlisted can extend or reenlist in the IRR...but this normally used facilitate transferring to a TPU.
Those groups can be called up in time of National emergency, and if one reads the order authorizing President G. W. Bush right after 11 Sept. 2001, he was authorized to call the entirety of both Reserves to active duty BUT I think for those of us retired, we are no longer eligible for recall at age 60?
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SGM Erik Marquez
MSG Brad Sand - I did combine both IRR and RR, and for sure more IRR has been recalled than RR (think Desert Shield, Desert Storm)
But the point it the same. in IRR the FORMER service member has ZERO militarily responsibilities until recalled , be that at their own request to deploy, drill, go to school, or DOD's request in time of national emergency man power needs.
That said:
"Minimum Annual Requirements. Each IRR Soldier is required to provide HRC with their current contact information (phone, address and email) and update it promptly when changes occur."
Thats It, thats all that is required of a SM in IRR ... UNLESS ordered to muster.
But the point it the same. in IRR the FORMER service member has ZERO militarily responsibilities until recalled , be that at their own request to deploy, drill, go to school, or DOD's request in time of national emergency man power needs.
That said:
"Minimum Annual Requirements. Each IRR Soldier is required to provide HRC with their current contact information (phone, address and email) and update it promptly when changes occur."
Thats It, thats all that is required of a SM in IRR ... UNLESS ordered to muster.
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MSG Brad Sand
SGM Erik Marquez -
Not disputing what you are saying but there are some rare IRR exceptions...almost all in the medial fields...where they will be actually 'serving', gaining retirement points and good years. We would commission doctors directly into the IRR that would serve their entire time in that status, except for periods where they would do Annual Training from this component.
Not disputing what you are saying but there are some rare IRR exceptions...almost all in the medial fields...where they will be actually 'serving', gaining retirement points and good years. We would commission doctors directly into the IRR that would serve their entire time in that status, except for periods where they would do Annual Training from this component.
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SGM Erik Marquez
MSG Brad Sand - Well said and thanks.. Im guilting of speaking from my experience, which is not inclusive or Guard or or Reserves
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For the vast majority probably not, it really depends on the individual. You can get promoted in the IRR, attend schools, annual training, short tours, etc., its really up to the individual on how active they want to be while in the IRR or if they are just "sitting" their until their time runs out. People often choose the IRR because you can manage your commitment to fit your schedule and aren't tied to a specific schedule as you would in a unit. I have seen officers go their because they were promoted and could not find a position in the new grade and shopped around until they found one or waited until another officers tenure was up and replaced them in the same unit.
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There is not a black and white answer to this. If all you are doing is sitting in the IRR waiting for your military service obligation to end, it kind of counts since it fulfills that. However, you still get 15 membership points and in the Army at least, you can request training and do other things to get a good year in the IRR. In 2012, I had an opportunity through my reserve unit to deploy to Afghanistan. However, they required me to transfer to the IRR so I would not count against them in their numbers while deployed. So I submitted the request and transferred to the IRR. I served over a year on active duty while assigned to the IRR control group. So for me, that time does count. However, in most cases, IRR time just rounds out your MSO and I would not brag about counting that time as service to any other Veteran.
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Inactive Ready RESERVE. They're reservists, and that time counts as federal service.
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Put it this way: if you get out at 4 years time in service and then you decide to go back in after you've been out for two years you will be paid st 6 years time in service. Only 4 years will count towards retirement.
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MAJ Bill Darling
Depends (1) what one means by "go back in" and (2) what one does while in the IRR. There are "good" years and then there's Active Federal Service. IRR members can either not earn a good year, earn a good year or potentially get a full year of AFS if one does an AD tour. It's been a while so I forget what counts and doesn't count for pay, but I'm pretty sure if an IRR guy stays on an AD tour those AFS years will count if he returns to active duty even. They may not be at a comparable time-in-grade, but their pay should reflect their actual active duty time, regardless of how it was achieved.
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Bill, have you explored the possibility of getting an extension beyond age 60 because of your skill identifier. I know MDs get extensions. Is it possible you can?
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I'm in the process of checking that out with HRC but haven't gotten a response yet. As you can imagine, we're talking a pretty big monthly difference in retirement between O-5 and and O-6 (currently at 6185 points and over 30 yrs.) Thanks. Just exploring all options and possibilities. I'm someone who doesn't take the first answer I get as the full truth----there are always exceptions. Either way----it's been a good run for me. Again, thanks.
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COL (Join to see) - Bill, I retired with 30 years of service-Mandatory Removal Date. I was only 52 at the time. At that time it was 30 years of service or age 60 whatever came first. It appears that is still the case from what you have stated. Your second question-"Does IRR time count as 'active reserve time'? It does not count as a good retirement year if you did not earn at least 50 retirement points during that year. I hope that answers your question. However, check with your career manager. I have been away from it for a long time and he/she will be able to give you latest and hopefully get you an extension. See if you can volunteer for something if you are able. Maybe one of the hospital ships (USNS Comfort. that provides medical aid to countries recovering from disasters, etc. Good luck.
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COL (Join to see) - Thank you. Yes, I spoke with my career manager today and he's trying to find some answers. I think that unless I get an extension waiver, my retirement pay is O-5. Oh well, at least I get the satisfaction of making the grade.
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In Theory You would think so Cdr! I know that the 9 Yrs I served in the IRR "Feet Reserve" I was slightly concerned that they would Re-Call Me since they could at the Drop of a Hat but after Bupers sent me My Release from the Fleet Reserve in 2006 I was Good! Nothing Like a Letter from an Admiral saying "Your Free" to Improve Your Attitude!
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20 that is interesting, I transferred to the Fleet Reserves in 2006 so I should receive my release in 2026. Therefore, for those who are on the side the IRR counts as "Currently Serving" and thus SM after your name on RP are telling me that I am misrepresenting myself on this site and it should like I am an Active Duty LCDR. Maybe they should create anther Status call AD. The called up reservist could toggle their status when they transition onto and off of AD. I just think that if you have received a DD-214 and not currently serving you should be a V or R.
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Very much depends on what you are asking Sir. One can get a good year is the Reserves while in the IRR, and if you did get a 'good' year, that should count as serving but most normally would count currently serving as being in a TPU or on active duty.
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MSG Brad Sand - Agreed it does seem like things are different between the services and I thought it was 8 years but when I looked it up today the old interweb it told me 6 so I just thought I was mistaken. One thing that is the same with the Navy is that if you twice FOS you are out unless there are some other circumstances and they can continue you to retirement as an O-4. Luckily I was prior enlisted so that did not impact me.
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MAJ Bill Darling
LCDR (Join to see) - I apologize for my earlier, wordier answers, as I didn't fully understand the question. If things haven't changed too, too much since 2006, then the answer is, like many people already said: It depends. If the person is currently on active duty (which one can be in the IRR) then I think it's fine to have the SM designation. On the other hand, if one is just hanging out in the IRR, R for reservist is ok, but V for veteran might be more appropriate.
Personally I wish RP would differentiate between retirees and veterans. I got out 10 years ago, didn't retire, didn't go to the IRR, and it still has my old rank on here.
Personally I wish RP would differentiate between retirees and veterans. I got out 10 years ago, didn't retire, didn't go to the IRR, and it still has my old rank on here.
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MAJ Bill Darling - I think they do, I have an "R" after my name and you have a "V", funny thing we both left in 2006 as O-4s
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MAJ Bill Darling
LCDR (Join to see) - My bad. I never bothered to hover over the R and ASSumed it was Reservist. :) Either way, wish they'd take out the rank. I'm proud of my time but doesn't feel appropriate to have it listed before my name. Maybe they'll put it in parenthesis in the future.
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A good retirement year in a reserve component is one I which you attain at least 50 retirement points within the retirement year. Your retirement points accounting statement will detail this.
According to USC title 10 chapter 1223, section 12734
"§12734. Time not creditable toward years of service
(a) Service in an inactive status may not be counted in any computation of years of service under this chapter.
(b) Time spent after retirement (without pay) for failure to conform to standards and qualifications prescribed under section 12641 of this title may not be credited in a computation of years of service under this chapter."
In the Individual ready reserve (IRR) you are in an active status until you fail to achieve 50 retirement points in a retirement year. When you fail to achieve the 50 point threshold you are transferred to the inactive list.
The IRR will give you 15 membership points each retirement year automatically the same as the regular reserve or national guard will. You would have to complete training, drill, or correspondence that awards you retirement points in order to complete the 50 point requirement. Or transfer to a Troop Program Unit (TPU), in the Reserve or National guard, and complete the 50 points plus there. Any combination of active service that accumulates 50 retirement points or more within a retirement year will render a "good year" towards retirement and allow that IRR time, or years, that fall within those "good year(s)" to count.
You can find additional info in sections 12731-12741. The link is:
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title10/subtitleE/part2/chapter1223&edition=prelim
Hope this helps.
According to USC title 10 chapter 1223, section 12734
"§12734. Time not creditable toward years of service
(a) Service in an inactive status may not be counted in any computation of years of service under this chapter.
(b) Time spent after retirement (without pay) for failure to conform to standards and qualifications prescribed under section 12641 of this title may not be credited in a computation of years of service under this chapter."
In the Individual ready reserve (IRR) you are in an active status until you fail to achieve 50 retirement points in a retirement year. When you fail to achieve the 50 point threshold you are transferred to the inactive list.
The IRR will give you 15 membership points each retirement year automatically the same as the regular reserve or national guard will. You would have to complete training, drill, or correspondence that awards you retirement points in order to complete the 50 point requirement. Or transfer to a Troop Program Unit (TPU), in the Reserve or National guard, and complete the 50 points plus there. Any combination of active service that accumulates 50 retirement points or more within a retirement year will render a "good year" towards retirement and allow that IRR time, or years, that fall within those "good year(s)" to count.
You can find additional info in sections 12731-12741. The link is:
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title10/subtitleE/part2/chapter1223&edition=prelim
Hope this helps.
2009—Pub. L. 111–84, div. A, title VI, §643(e)(2), Oct. 28, 2009, 123 Stat. 2367, substituted "Retirement for service in an active status performed in the Selected Reserve of the Ready Reserve after eligibility for regular retirement" for "Retirement from active reserve service performed after regular retirement" in item 12741.
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It can, if you are in the IRR, you can call up DA and ask for training assignments, volunteer for deployments, get attached to a Guard or Reserve unit or go and find a unit to drill with, it doesn't even have to be in the same service. If you can find a a Coast Guard Auxiliary that is willing to let you drill for points, tey are getting free labor and you are getting retirement points. You could also just do online/correspondence work for points OR you could do nothng at all and just serve the remainder of your obligation. You still have an ID card and PX priviledges.
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Don't know exactly. Here's an anecdote that may help. My daughter was in the MS Air National Guard. She was an E-5 and resigned when she received her BSN to concentrate on her new career as a nurse. About 10 years later she joined the Navy Reserve Nurse Corps as an O-3. She received credit for her ANG good years plus additional longevity credit for her IRR years. The IIR years count for pay and retirement apparently.
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Reading back into my Recruiter memory, service in the Armed Forces is an 8 year commitment, normally served by 4 years active duty, 4 years inactive reserve. There a varying combinations 6 yrs active 2 years inactive, 4 years active 4 years active reserve, the key being 8 years. So in answer I'd say yes, as you can be called to duty from the IRR. Albeit an inactive, still an important role.
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For the Army, a most definitely technically yes. I know things have changed in the decade since I got out but I was a career manager for a a few of the last ones. While in the IRR you accumulate points (like getting points on the SAT for writing your name), can attend schools, get promoted, go on an AD/ADT/ADSW (old acronyms for active duty) tour and you are supposed to maintain your physical and clearance. The idea is to give a service member flexibility while, in theory, maintaining the qualifications to be retained and available for deployment in case of war. I had guys who were IRR who essentially stayed on active duty for the entire time they were IRR.
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yes and no, If you are actively conducting training and earning points with a guard or reserve unit ( even if it is a different branch, I would say yes) You can even request schools while you are IRR. But if you have totally quit doing anything even remotely military related, then you are only serving as a possible call back until your final obligation is over.
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It counts for longevity pay increases if you return to an active status, or you plan on staying in the IRR and doing nothing then not really
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So then Sergeant Major does it count as "currently serving" SM badge in RP, like you are today, considering the person has been IRR for 10 years.
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MSgt Hal Weeden, MBA
LCDR (Join to see) - Is it possible to be in an IRR status for 10 years? From my finance experience, the only time an IRR person did anything that might incur pay and/or retirement points is when they are called to show up for a few hours to determine if they are still fit for duty and receive briefings. That is an annual occurrence, and they do not even wear uniforms.
http://www.arpc.afrc.af.mil/About/FactSheets/Display/tabid/310/Article/365496/muster-information.aspx
Not even in uniform? Personally, I do not feel that is "currently serving."
http://www.arpc.afrc.af.mil/About/FactSheets/Display/tabid/310/Article/365496/muster-information.aspx
Not even in uniform? Personally, I do not feel that is "currently serving."

Muster Information Air Reserve Personnel Center Display
PARTICIPATION: Participation in the Annual IRR Screening (Muster Duty) is mandatory by Title 10, United States Code (U.S.C.) Section 12319. The Muster will consist of collecting personnel and medical data. During this period of duty, Airmen are subject to,
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MAJ Bill Darling
LCDR (Join to see) - Depends on what they did with that ten years. They key for retirement purposes is a "Good year", which means meeting the minimum points per calendar year. Unless things have changed drastically since 2006, you got a few points just for being a member of the IRR but had to make up the remainder in some way. People could do some of it through correspondence courses/Distance learning, a school (back then typically a two-week Reserve course in conjunction with the DL), and/or any other kind of IRR Annual training, active duty special work (ADSW-I"m sure there's a newer acronym). But if you fall short of the good year minimum, you lose that year.
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No, you're readiness standing is not taken into account, and your training is out of date. When you are activated, if you are, then you will be re-trained and be currently serving. It's the "inactive" in IRR.
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MAJ Bill Darling
Not necessarily 1SG. IRR members can be fresh off of active duty and, in fact, may apply for active duty tours and therefore be more up to date then drilling Reservists. While the National Guard may use inactive, it's actually "individual", although it's commonly called (and used as) the inactive reserve.
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Certainly does at Applebee's! (humor - just kidding)
It depends, Yes, if you're still going to military schools and going to muster events to keep your status available for call up. No if you're just waiting to collect retirement pay (national guard and reserve) or just completing service obligation.
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Since people can apply for PME schools and can still deploy even while in the IRR.....I would say yes, they are still serving.....but I would have to add the "in a limited capacity" caveat.
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Well then I guess we should all have "SM" as our identifier on RP, not sure what they mean by veteran then.
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SGM Erik Marquez
LCDR (Join to see) - I would disagree.. Unless you have a formation to be at this month, and an OER support form due, I don't think you are serving.
I am in the IRR, I am not serving, I have NO military responsibility UNLESS I am recalled.. That is the same position your in Sir.. Unless you are recalled, your not serving.. you have no obligations to the military when in IRR, thus not serving.
I am in the IRR, I am not serving, I have NO military responsibility UNLESS I am recalled.. That is the same position your in Sir.. Unless you are recalled, your not serving.. you have no obligations to the military when in IRR, thus not serving.
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SGM Erik Marquez - Agreed I have no obligation to the military although I have been asked to join the Texas Guard for the chance Hurricane response. At that point I would have an obligation to train with a unit (go camping) but I am not sure I want to do that at this point in my life.
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SGM Erik Marquez
LCDR (Join to see) - Then for sure, once you return to uniform, you are once again serving our great nation>Thank you for your service, and there is no shame in accepting, an optional additional obligation is not the better plan for you and your family.
It would take a real need, one made personally to me by a former GO I worked with for me to put the uniform on.
If HRC said that they wanted to know if they could recall me to go serve XYZ unit joint task force in Afghanistan, Id day no.
If Gen Funk sent a letter and said, call, I need you, you know what i expect, I know you, and this needs to be done to save lives.....I need you to go to the RC East JOC and FIX IT......or CENTCOM, or what ever......Id likely say......No, the first 2 times... But as that was one of the GO's that taught me, never except the first 2 no's..If he called a third time Id know it was a real need, and Id say yes.
There are 8 men, 2 female Soldiers in the world still serving I might say yes to...
It would take a real need, one made personally to me by a former GO I worked with for me to put the uniform on.
If HRC said that they wanted to know if they could recall me to go serve XYZ unit joint task force in Afghanistan, Id day no.
If Gen Funk sent a letter and said, call, I need you, you know what i expect, I know you, and this needs to be done to save lives.....I need you to go to the RC East JOC and FIX IT......or CENTCOM, or what ever......Id likely say......No, the first 2 times... But as that was one of the GO's that taught me, never except the first 2 no's..If he called a third time Id know it was a real need, and Id say yes.
There are 8 men, 2 female Soldiers in the world still serving I might say yes to...
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