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Donald Trump's entire 2019 State of the Union address | Full speech on CNN
President Donald Trump appeared before a divided Congress for the first time to appeal to lawmakers' sense of unity at a moment of deepening partisan spite. ...
Post Update (20 Feb 2020): I have enjoyed reading everyone's comments!
FREE SPEECH is NOT Dead or at best NOT YET Illegal!!! Adults are responding in this post - EXCELLENT! Some are whining! ~2/3's overall per the poll still believe SOTH was disrespectful at some level.
POTUS did have a bit of a chip on his shoulder, for not shaking SOTH hand when extended.
Some seemed to forget former President Clinton's own avoidance of military service (aka deferments) as they excoriated Trump for his deferments - Humm?
The Congress & POTUS need to quit excessive Tweeting and GET TO WORK for "We the people...." Cut the BS!!!
All in All , instructive post! Of course some will defend POTUS regardless, others will defend SOTH regardless.
Some of the adults that responded slammed them both and provided balanced responses that took a deeper critical look! You know who you are! Thank you!
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Post Update (12 Feb 2020): Please see my response to SGM(P) (Join to see)'s wise words in this post! Some might just be - surprised!
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Original Post
Background: By now the world is a buzz with what took place at the end of the SOTU by POTUS and the "ripping" by the SOTH at the end of the speech.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4FyVGtMa4s)
Discussion: While I can respect the opinion of Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia to recommend centure (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPr2EodEAdU), I and many believe that the SOTH's behavior last night is worthy of the SOTH's own centure! The lack of leadership of the SOTH in the 'ripping up" of the SOTU address on live TV is shameful.
It makes NO different if you are RIGHT, CENTER or LEFT. The disrespect shown is not a sign of defiance of this POTUS or solidarity with her party. It is an open attack against "We the people....." As an Independent, I have not always agreed with POTUS on some issues, but that does not mean I will not show the Office of POTUS its proper due, regardless of who hold the office!
I have as does the SOTH the right to "respectfully disagree" as guaranteed under the 1st Amendment; however, as the SOTH the "ripping behavior" boarders on behaviors that reminds me of someone desiring to insight insurrection, but not be held accountable for the actions they transmit.
Recommendation: While the "majority members" of the House will not centure their own Speaker, perhaps the Senate might, in order to send a message to centure the SOTH for such a tantrum during the SOTU!
So my question is this:
Was the behavior of the SOTH a sign that the current SOTH as of Feb 2020 lacks both the maturity and leadership grit to behave in a manner worthy of that office as 3rd in line to be POTUS?
FREE SPEECH is NOT Dead or at best NOT YET Illegal!!! Adults are responding in this post - EXCELLENT! Some are whining! ~2/3's overall per the poll still believe SOTH was disrespectful at some level.
POTUS did have a bit of a chip on his shoulder, for not shaking SOTH hand when extended.
Some seemed to forget former President Clinton's own avoidance of military service (aka deferments) as they excoriated Trump for his deferments - Humm?
The Congress & POTUS need to quit excessive Tweeting and GET TO WORK for "We the people...." Cut the BS!!!
All in All , instructive post! Of course some will defend POTUS regardless, others will defend SOTH regardless.
Some of the adults that responded slammed them both and provided balanced responses that took a deeper critical look! You know who you are! Thank you!
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Post Update (12 Feb 2020): Please see my response to SGM(P) (Join to see)'s wise words in this post! Some might just be - surprised!
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Original Post
Background: By now the world is a buzz with what took place at the end of the SOTU by POTUS and the "ripping" by the SOTH at the end of the speech.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4FyVGtMa4s)
Discussion: While I can respect the opinion of Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia to recommend centure (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPr2EodEAdU), I and many believe that the SOTH's behavior last night is worthy of the SOTH's own centure! The lack of leadership of the SOTH in the 'ripping up" of the SOTU address on live TV is shameful.
It makes NO different if you are RIGHT, CENTER or LEFT. The disrespect shown is not a sign of defiance of this POTUS or solidarity with her party. It is an open attack against "We the people....." As an Independent, I have not always agreed with POTUS on some issues, but that does not mean I will not show the Office of POTUS its proper due, regardless of who hold the office!
I have as does the SOTH the right to "respectfully disagree" as guaranteed under the 1st Amendment; however, as the SOTH the "ripping behavior" boarders on behaviors that reminds me of someone desiring to insight insurrection, but not be held accountable for the actions they transmit.
Recommendation: While the "majority members" of the House will not centure their own Speaker, perhaps the Senate might, in order to send a message to centure the SOTH for such a tantrum during the SOTU!
So my question is this:
Was the behavior of the SOTH a sign that the current SOTH as of Feb 2020 lacks both the maturity and leadership grit to behave in a manner worthy of that office as 3rd in line to be POTUS?
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My wife is a special needs teacher and her elementary special needs kids act better than that. She was wrong and I hope they censure her.
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SSgt Kevin Hopkins
1SG John Millan - how do you know she drinks? why dont you call out Trump for all his disrespectful actions?
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CW2 Samuel Hunt
After the fake 4f Blowhard disrespected a Decorated P.O.W. I never listened to a word he said after that. Most everyone who has strapped on boots knows to disrespect a POW is as disgusting an act as can be committed. No one can determine what is necessary to make it through torture or what must be done to survive for years on end. Any one can talk a mouthful of shit without having been in the hot seat. Even Adolph Hitler strapped up boots and walked the walk.
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SSgt Kevin Hopkins
Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth - Rush is NOT a journalist but he is a hate spewing loudmouth
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Sgt Michael Clifford
I don't have much respect for the man or his methods but when I look at what is being offered as an alternative I'm afraid I may actually have to vote for him. It is not a Trump v Biden contest. It is the US as we have known it and a government run by the likes of Bernie Sanders, AOC, the squad and democrats who believe that what has been going on in Seattle, Portland, Oakland, NYC and other US cities are "PEACEFUL PROTESTS". peaceful protestor do not attack the police with M-80s, water bottles, clubs. "PEACEFUL PROTESTORS" do not attempt to burn down and/or loot public and private property.
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SSgt Kevin Hopkins
there have been alot of peaceful protests, the ones you speak of were not peaceful and no one has refered to those as peaceful. being military im surprised you would ever consider voting for a man thats been so disrespectful of any POW. if you were captured, in Trumps eyes you dont matter
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Sgt Bob Leonard
Samantha S. - When 1LT John Lisovitch said, "Footage Shows President Trump Mocking The National Anthem During Super Bowl LIV." you said, "your commentary is extraneous".
Dishonoring the Flag or our National Anthem is not extraneous. Especially when you opened the door by saying, "I started every school day facing the American flag with my right hand over my heart reciting the words to the Pledge of Allegiance."
First, to correct a misapprehension about the video clip. It must have been recorded in "selfie" mode. I call your attention to the fact that, not only does Melania appear to have her left hand on her right side, so does Baron(?) on the other side of the President. The clincher is the Flag lapel pin he always wears on his left lapel: it appears to be on his right lapel.
However, even if it were true that Melania and Baron were BOTH dissing the Flag and National Anthem, and, by some stretch of your imagination, you believe that Pres. Trump stuck his lapel pin on the wrong lapel, it would still be true that neither Melania nor Baron is the President!
It is inescapable that Donald Trump, the President of the United States of America, in the presence of a room full of rich and powerful American and foreign business people, acted shamefully. A gathering which included his foreign-born wife and his teen-age son.
I am disgusted. I don't understand how any Veteran, especially a Vietnam Vet, cannot be at least mildly nauseated by his actions.
Dishonoring the Flag or our National Anthem is not extraneous. Especially when you opened the door by saying, "I started every school day facing the American flag with my right hand over my heart reciting the words to the Pledge of Allegiance."
First, to correct a misapprehension about the video clip. It must have been recorded in "selfie" mode. I call your attention to the fact that, not only does Melania appear to have her left hand on her right side, so does Baron(?) on the other side of the President. The clincher is the Flag lapel pin he always wears on his left lapel: it appears to be on his right lapel.
However, even if it were true that Melania and Baron were BOTH dissing the Flag and National Anthem, and, by some stretch of your imagination, you believe that Pres. Trump stuck his lapel pin on the wrong lapel, it would still be true that neither Melania nor Baron is the President!
It is inescapable that Donald Trump, the President of the United States of America, in the presence of a room full of rich and powerful American and foreign business people, acted shamefully. A gathering which included his foreign-born wife and his teen-age son.
I am disgusted. I don't understand how any Veteran, especially a Vietnam Vet, cannot be at least mildly nauseated by his actions.
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SSgt Kevin Hopkins
Trump has lied and disrespected her and Congress yet you feel shes wrong for showing how she feels and this liar?
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SSgt Kevin Hopkins
1SG Walter Craig - do you know how long a term is fotr the house? its only 2 yrs. Congress cant get things done that fast
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"I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything." - our president. But sure, worry about Nancy Pelosi ripping up a copy of a speech.
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PV2 Eric Roberts
1SG Walter Craig - And Cadet Bone Spurs was getting daddy to pay off a doctor to write him a fake medical excuse. At least the hippies were getting legit deferments.
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PV2 Eric Roberts
SFC Jeff Duncan - No one received a COLA raise. That is also not determined by the president. Please go educate yourself on how that is determined BEFORE you post something and prove yourself a fool. Cadet Bone Spurs hasn't done squat except try to get us in even more wars that would put our brothers and sisters in arms in harms way just for his ego.
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PV2 Eric Roberts
SFC Jeff Duncan - He more than makes up for it with his golf outings...get a clue brother...
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With all due respect, Chief, your premise is ridiculous. Let's focus on the real outrage: locking children in cages, lying 16,000+ to the American public, disgusting disrespect to women, minorities, our active duty military and veterans, other countries, etc. The list is long and shameful.
Please get real, folks. While I didn't like what Nancy Pelosi did, it is not something for which any serious person would ever recommend censure. POTUS just escaped justice in the Senate because of 52 cowardly Senators who put their allegiance to a President who would be King above their oath before God, to support and defend the Constitution, and our country.
Do me a favor, though: if you want to censure the Speaker for this petty, albeit relatively benign, act, please admit that our president needs to be censured - OFTEN - for his many offenses and crimes. There is no other way to argue the point of censuring Speaker Pelosi, which is IMO, killing an ant with a sledgehammer.
Please get real, folks. While I didn't like what Nancy Pelosi did, it is not something for which any serious person would ever recommend censure. POTUS just escaped justice in the Senate because of 52 cowardly Senators who put their allegiance to a President who would be King above their oath before God, to support and defend the Constitution, and our country.
Do me a favor, though: if you want to censure the Speaker for this petty, albeit relatively benign, act, please admit that our president needs to be censured - OFTEN - for his many offenses and crimes. There is no other way to argue the point of censuring Speaker Pelosi, which is IMO, killing an ant with a sledgehammer.
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SSG Robert Perrotto
LTC Joe Anderson (Taz or Joe since I - Greg has me blocked, which is alright by me. His arguments never really address any of the points I made beyond orange man bad, and I am a racist.
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SFC Michael Peterson - According to the law...both US and International law...all they are required to do is once they come into the US, they can just go to the nearest border facility and claim asylum. That is specifically stated IN THE LAW. That means that they are not here illegally at that point. Read the actual laws regarding this...its what I did...
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It just shows the hate the left has and that they have done everything possible to impede and or try and remove a sitting president.
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PO2 Philip Mayfield - OK I must have been gone to long, how did they try to remove Obama?????? Impede I give you that, but no more than they impeded Bush. The difference was it seemed Bush was willing to compromise some to get things done, and Obama only wanted to lecture and whine, then use executive orders. Don't try to rewrite history.
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That was a handful on none politicians, in this case those democratic politicians have been after Trump since day one. But the birther issued needed to be settled, or they need to make a change in the rule. But I don't recall one republican trying to impeach Obumer on nonsense. Trust me I found him unbearable, but he was elected and I had to live with him, I did not go out calling all those who voted for him, ignorant, stupid etc, like the left has been doing.
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PFC Ray Aquila
In no way was TSOH disrespectful to ORANGE IMPOTUS. Seeing the responses is beyond a doubt pure idiocy. Did any of you turn coats see Orange IMPOTUS SHAKE THE HAND OF TSOH.......NO!!!!!!
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
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SP5 Howard Moore
SSG (Join to see) - I prefer to refer to trumps supporters as cognitively challenged when trump said "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK? It's, like, incredible." he wasn't referring to their loyalty he was referring to their intellect https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201609/the-psychology-behind-donald-trumps-unwavering-support?page=2
The Psychology Behind Donald Trump's Unwavering Support
Research explains why Donald Trump maintains support despite shocking behavior.
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Absolutely not! If the President can lie to the American people, then our duly elected politicians have every right to call him out in any manner they see fit.
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SFC Mike Thompson
Obama Lied about Fast and Furious, IRS, Benghazi, FISA, protecting H Clinton. The Big 1 You can keep your Dr. Taking money that was to go to the Treasury before paying Insurance Companies. Iran, List goes on!
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SrA Scott Baer
LCpl Leo Morrissey - It appears that anyone who challenges this CGP gets the block. I've been challenged as have you buddy and yet not choosing to run and hide...
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SrA Scott Baer
I go from sad to incredibly pissed off as scary how many joined or were drafted that appear to hate the once very heralded American Dream along with being a Patriot was far from a dirty word. Gates and his fellow Billionaires Boy Club had already plotted and sorted the Planet and then came Preeeeeeeeeesident Trump and thank God he did as the Clintons would have buried all proof from not only themselves but the cohorts in all our Security Agencies meant to keep us safe. The betrayals, manipulations, and treachery can only stop once the perps are properly brought to justice and punished. I pray for President Trump as his enemies are obviously powerful and far-reaching. God Bless America and thank you all Patriots for holding that torch.....
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PFC Ray Aquila
In no way was TSOH disrespectful to ORANGE IMPOTUS. Seeing the responses is beyond a doubt pure idiocy. Did any of you turn coats see Orange IMPOTUS SHAKE THE HAND OF TSOH.......NO!!!!!!
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
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It is called frustration - Pelosi and her Party have done everything they can to fight President Trump, and not only have they failed, they watched as his popularity increased to 49% during this whole charade. Seriously, what politician doesn't quid pro quo - do they really think we, the American people, are stupid outside of their frothing voter base?
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SSG Robert Perrotto
Lt Col Melinda Morrell - How is this any different then utilizing a questionable FISA warrant to tap the communications of the campaign manager of a political opponent? Or for Lorretta Lynch to have a meeting on an airport Tarmac with the husband of an investigation target? Or the DNC rigging the primary to close out Sanders? The tomfoolery is not limited to Trump, it is ALL of them, and has been for decades.
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SSG Robert Perrotto
SPC Randy Zimmerman - SHHHHH!!! cannot let those messy facts and positive evidence get in the way of conjecture, assumptions, and opinions presented by the "star witnesses" brought forth by the house.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
Capt Gregory Prickett If quid pro quo is absolutely illegal, why do we have a State Department? Quid pro quo... This for that... It is negotiation. If you help us, we will help you. It is the basis of every single treaty ever.
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PFC Ray Aquila
In no way was TSOH disrespectful to ORANGE IMPOTUS. Seeing the responses is beyond a doubt pure idiocy. Did any of you turn coats see Orange IMPOTUS SHAKE THE HAND OF TSOH.......NO!!!!!!
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
THIS WAS MORE DISRESPECTFUL. A 5 time Draft Dodger and you people defend Mr Bone Spur. Mr Bone SPUR signed an executive order last Tuesday denying 200,000 jobs the Department of Veterans Affairs desperately is in need. This is an IMPOTUS stating in 2016. "VETERANS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT TO OUR NATION." This is the same Orange IMPOTUS, presented a BUDGET to the Congress last week with sizable cuts to Veterans, Disable, Seniors, SSA, Medicare, Medicaid. ORANGE IMPOTUS is still referring to SSA, Medicare, Medicaid as entitlements. People......We worked for those benefits. And you people are worried about lies being torn. By the by CPO Nate S. It is CENSURE. Next time leave the "T" out.
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