Posted on May 5, 2015
This soldier refused to give up on an Army road march. Your thoughts?
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I thought it was awesome to a brother/sister of arms roughing it and not quitting.
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Personally, I was proud of her - as I was for all of her fellow soldiers who successfully completed the course and earned the EFMB. I found myself "cheering from my chair" as she showed her grit and determination to complete her challenge. Although it is debatable whether this was a "newsworthy" event, it is great to see one of our own being highlighted for an accomplishment versus another controversy.
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While I congratulate this soldier for finishing the task at hand I am still uneasy with this. Clearly this soldier had the heart of a warrior, but where is your preparation? Or overall physical fitness?
I did a 12 miler back in December. I did zero prep for it, and it was the second day of being on my feet and tested for 20 hours. I did no prep for this, no extra rucking around town, no training, yet I didn't fall out from exhaustion near the finish line. I did lose 2 toenails and a couple layers of skin off my feet, but none of it was heroic or an amazing feat of fighting spirit. It was a Soldier meeting the requirements of the competition that I chose to compete in.
I will continue to applaud the determination and spirit this soldier showed while competing in this physically and mentally draining competition. I still feel that she should have been more prepared for the physical portion of the competition.
I did a 12 miler back in December. I did zero prep for it, and it was the second day of being on my feet and tested for 20 hours. I did no prep for this, no extra rucking around town, no training, yet I didn't fall out from exhaustion near the finish line. I did lose 2 toenails and a couple layers of skin off my feet, but none of it was heroic or an amazing feat of fighting spirit. It was a Soldier meeting the requirements of the competition that I chose to compete in.
I will continue to applaud the determination and spirit this soldier showed while competing in this physically and mentally draining competition. I still feel that she should have been more prepared for the physical portion of the competition.
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MSG Tim Donahue, M.Ed.
I applaud her guts and stick-to-it attitude - but - I agree with SSG Pickett who said "Where was the preparation?" I saw a lot of this during my time. The worst was the Nijmegan March back in 1986. 100 miles in fours days - yes I said 100 miles. It was tough but most of us trained for it. Each group consisted of 15 Soldiers, one medic and one officer. The folks who had the most trouble with the march were those who were "too busy" to train with the rest. OK - the folks I saw who had the most trouble were the officers with each group. Not saying all of them - but a lot of them. I don't know this Captain and I am proud of her - but do the training - do the work.
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SFC (Join to see) , the humidity was 80 plus, the temperature was 80 plus. If she had not been prepared, in those conditions, she may have not finished. I don't know if I could finish, and I ran track in High School
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MSG Brad Sand
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I am actually with you on this one. My question now is, the good Captain made it to her casualty...does she have what she needs to save another life or is she a casualty herself? I don't know? Yes, I too applaud her determination to finish but so what if it was hot, cold, humid, dry, raining or snowing, the Army thought it was safe to continue the training? As I have said, I applaud her for finishing but she is a Captain and not new to the military either and should have realized what she was going to need to do finish her training.
I am actually with you on this one. My question now is, the good Captain made it to her casualty...does she have what she needs to save another life or is she a casualty herself? I don't know? Yes, I too applaud her determination to finish but so what if it was hot, cold, humid, dry, raining or snowing, the Army thought it was safe to continue the training? As I have said, I applaud her for finishing but she is a Captain and not new to the military either and should have realized what she was going to need to do finish her training.
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SPC Robert Treat
LOL, mine was 30....not taking anything away from her, but we would do 12 miles on a weekly basics in Panama.
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First off, "succeed" is spelled succeed, secondly, I enjoy watching anybody succeed a difficult challenge regardless of gender, race or creed. I would imagine in the Army today, the fact she is a female should be irrelevant. To touch on the third option "Why are they getting attention for stuff men have been required to accomplish all along." I think it's because the males of the Army are the ones who established those standards in the first place. Why not celebrate the females that possess the ability to accomplish harsh training conditions, but to be fair, everybody completing the training should be celebrated.
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SFC (Join to see) , when I saw it on the local and National news, nothing was mentioned about her being a woman. What made it remarkable is that she kept getting up, and she finished.
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Capt Mark Strobl
Hey Hard-charger (sorry, your name is blocked). I posted in response in defense of the SSG's criticism to the SFC. The keen eye to my post would have noticed that I mis-spelled "confidence." If you didn't find humor in that, then I suppose you missed the misspelling. You're correct on not showing my face. No need to draw friendly fire for my mug shot.
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Capt Mark Strobl
Regardless, it's great to see someone "guttin' it out." Wasn't pretty. But, she showed a lot of determination.
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SFC Charles, I by no means, meant it to be degrading or disrespectful. In my defense, I actually thought the people operating RP were the ones posted the questions and you were just commenting or "re-tweeting" it. SGT Bodine I agree that it was remarkable, but I did catch the humor in CPT Stobl's message.
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I think we should give credit where credit is due.
We all know she would have never made it across that finish line if that reflective PT belt hadn't been securely fastened to her rucksack....
We all know she would have never made it across that finish line if that reflective PT belt hadn't been securely fastened to her rucksack....
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Finished my EFMB road march with two minutes to spare. Spent two days on crutches because of blisters. Should have done more to break in boots.
49 tested; 7 passed.
49 tested; 7 passed.
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Gotta, love when anyone has the Heart to gut it out when their own body is trying to betray them.
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Ok time to set myself up as a target.
-IT IS A WEAPON!!!!! NOT A #%$!!& WALKING STICK.
-Any Marine that no longer maintains interval and unit integrity is already a unit down check, and is going to remedial physical training
-12 miles is a normal movement to or from the field, not a test. Back when Sabre-toothed dinosaurs ruled the Earth I couldn't ask for transportation to or from the field unless a every day's movement for the duration of the exercise exceeded 10 miles. WE were then expected to complete the day and night's training objectives. I could not get transport both to and from the field (Live Fire exercise)unless the combined movement to and from the field exceeded 25 miles on the day in question. So trucks were rarer than clear photos of a sasquatch.
-I've had 19 hours to move a company sized unit 45 miles with a TO&E load in a non-evaluated task. The last 2 miles were in a tactical movement in a temperate zone forest (The Rainier training area of Ft Lewis), not an administrative force march. Then complete a deliberate defensive position including submitting all supporting planning documents to the Battalion CP. The only vehicle support we had was an CUCV Truck. We failed, it took 20.25 hours before we got the last "hump drop" into their regulation fighting hole. Turns out the 9th ID brigade we were aggressing needed us in place in 24 hours, they just wanted to see what we Marines could do.
-How is this Captain going to perform a Company Commander's duties to supervise a unit's responsibilities to develop a defensive position at their destination. At what distance was she still capable of dropping her pack and carrying on like a Company Commander setting up the defense. That is the real limit to that unit's ability to carry on foot mobile operations. 12 miles is inadequate.
I am not against women serving in combat units but this is 12 miles is not a useful standard, unless there are a lot of details being left out of the story. If I was receiving Marines that could do no better than this from the School of Infantry, you can bet there would be some fist fights at the O'Club on Friday night.
For an officer to "finish" is not good enough. There's work to be done right now.
-IT IS A WEAPON!!!!! NOT A #%$!!& WALKING STICK.
-Any Marine that no longer maintains interval and unit integrity is already a unit down check, and is going to remedial physical training
-12 miles is a normal movement to or from the field, not a test. Back when Sabre-toothed dinosaurs ruled the Earth I couldn't ask for transportation to or from the field unless a every day's movement for the duration of the exercise exceeded 10 miles. WE were then expected to complete the day and night's training objectives. I could not get transport both to and from the field (Live Fire exercise)unless the combined movement to and from the field exceeded 25 miles on the day in question. So trucks were rarer than clear photos of a sasquatch.
-I've had 19 hours to move a company sized unit 45 miles with a TO&E load in a non-evaluated task. The last 2 miles were in a tactical movement in a temperate zone forest (The Rainier training area of Ft Lewis), not an administrative force march. Then complete a deliberate defensive position including submitting all supporting planning documents to the Battalion CP. The only vehicle support we had was an CUCV Truck. We failed, it took 20.25 hours before we got the last "hump drop" into their regulation fighting hole. Turns out the 9th ID brigade we were aggressing needed us in place in 24 hours, they just wanted to see what we Marines could do.
-How is this Captain going to perform a Company Commander's duties to supervise a unit's responsibilities to develop a defensive position at their destination. At what distance was she still capable of dropping her pack and carrying on like a Company Commander setting up the defense. That is the real limit to that unit's ability to carry on foot mobile operations. 12 miles is inadequate.
I am not against women serving in combat units but this is 12 miles is not a useful standard, unless there are a lot of details being left out of the story. If I was receiving Marines that could do no better than this from the School of Infantry, you can bet there would be some fist fights at the O'Club on Friday night.
For an officer to "finish" is not good enough. There's work to be done right now.
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