Posted on Jun 2, 2017
MSG David Rogers III
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I am researching the history of Service Stripes for all services, but am curious about the Navy's version. I understand the regulation, but I am more curious about the general feelings toward those who wear the Red Service Stripes after 12 years, knowing something has kept them from going Gold. How do your feel about this person if you were...
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PO1 John Miller
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I was on my way to retire with gold hash marks, but one serious lapse of judgment shortly before I retired led to an Article 15 Captain's Mast and I ended up retiring with 5 red stripes. Doesn't matter to me, I still get my pension every month!
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CPO Roy Thornton
CPO Roy Thornton
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SGM Frank Marsh - Actually CPO Frocking is a 12 month cycle you might get paid the day you put it on or the month before the next frocking it was done by seniority I was paid 3 months after I was frocked. That said a Chief cannot be busted by his commanding officer only a summary court marshal.
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SGM Frank Marsh
SGM Frank Marsh
6 y
this happened to two of my neighbors. wore the chief stripes, did the job, didn't get the pay for 6 months..norfolk va area
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CWO3 John Bails
CWO3 John Bails
>1 y
They cost to much, all it means is "I did not get caught".
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SR Kenneth Beck
SR Kenneth Beck
5 y
I had broken service (7 years 6 months the first time). When I attained 12 years of continuous service it was time to retire.
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CAPT Kevin B.
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All the stripe color meant to myself and peers back in the day was gold meant you weren't caught. Other that that, a pure yawner. For those who thought it was critical for them, they usually had an ego problem. I had a career E-5 who kept getting busted back on a predictable schedule. But there wasn't anyone you'd rather have painting the countryside with Ma Duce. A true artist.
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Sgt Den OBrien
Sgt Den OBrien
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How did Nathaniel Hawthorne ever get to pass the decision for the USN to "red stripe" ? lol
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LT Timothy Parlatore
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One of the best E-8s on my ship was a guy who had the distinction of being selected for promotion to every single rank twice. I am against my he zero defect mentality and I think some of our best warriors are guys who don't rate gold.
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CPO Roswell Echols
CPO Roswell Echols
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worked with a AO! who had a brother in the deck division that had more time in the navy than him and made BM3 and retired the next year
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CWO2 James Mathews
CWO2 James Mathews
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I never got the chance to wear my gold stripes, but I know I earned them, and so does the Navy, and for me that is all that counts. Like all my shipmates, I made many mistakes when I was in service, but I was always lucky, or had someone who valued me enough to get me through it without going "To Mast' with the Captain! As to being curious about the persons past, outside of a good story, I have little interest, unless the individual proves to me that he or she is unreliable! In my view, the 'red stripe - gold stripe' question should be retained by the Navy. It is a good idea, and should be kept in the Navy. Let the other services develop their own method of awarding such good standing.
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CPO Arthur Bivens
CPO Arthur Bivens
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I do believe that with the gold and red it creats a goal to say that I AM ONE OF THE BEST AND NOT A PROBLEM CHILD FOR THE GREATEST NAVY in the WORLD.
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PO3 Douglas George
PO3 Douglas George
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all it means is the gold didn't get caught. You get your check. No problem.
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To the Navy members.... What is your opinion of Red vs. Gold Service Stripes?
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PO2 Rev. Frederick C. Mullis, AFI, CFM
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A good sailor learns from his/her mistakes. I made a lot of them. never went to MASS, No NJP's Not one single write up ever in my career. I had one 2nd Class that for whatever reason did not like the cut of my Jib in my first Command, He wrote one of my Quarterly marks and gave me a 2.0. that hounded me and kept me from getting my GCM on my first 4 years. all because of one person's feelings. But Yet, as an Airman (E3) I was filling a 2rd Class (E5) Billet. DCPO for the Division. Go Figure. Had a Admirals inspection in my Squadron, the Skipper was walking around with the 3 star, He stopped in front of me and looked at my crow and said "Second Class Ordnanceman eh?" I replied quickly, "No Sir Second Class Petty Officer, First Class Aviation Ordnanceman Sir." The Admiral looked over to our Skipper and our Skipper smiled and said "Thats a fact, Sir."
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
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MSG David Rogers III I don't think anything about it. Look at the chevrons, not the color. Respect the uniform, whether higher or lower.
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MSG David Rogers III
MSG David Rogers III
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I'm with you on that Steve! But did you encounter many other folks in the Navy that had negative opinions of the 12+ year Red Stripes?
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
PO3 Steven Sherrill
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MSG David Rogers III - I only encountered once in my three years. It was a person on my ship who was an E-6 with gold stripes. He was fooling around with a lower enlisted in his division, and married. When they got got, he became an E-5 with red stripes. In that case it was a matter of everyone knew what happened, how it happened, why it happened, so any negative opinions were based on moral objection to the behavior that caused the change, rather than the change itself. My personal take on that was "I hope that piece of tail was worth the consequences." So in a respect there were negative opinions, but whether it was a moral objection to infidelity, a look what he threw away, or a how can you have that many hash marks and not be wearing gold thing I cannot say.
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PO3 John Wagner
PO3 John Wagner
>1 y
MSG David Rogers III - I always figured Senior enlisted who had a bad attitude about red stripes were simply mourning a youth misspent rather than a misspent youth..lol
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CDR William Kramer
CDR William Kramer
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When I was a Division Officer, I had a GMCS in my division with Red Stripes - He'd recently been a Warrant Officer but then reverted back to E8 after his fist somehow tangled with his XO's chin. Great Gunner's Mate and Chief for me though.
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CPO Jerry Daugherty
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For Senior Enlisted, it used to be a pseudo "badge of honor" in that you overcame your silly mistakes as a young Sailor and were still able to achieve rank. Nowadays, I would suspect you won't see as many red-stripped CPOs, SCPOs, or MCPOs.
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PO1 Edward Pate
PO1 Edward Pate
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PO3 John Wagner - We used to walk when I was there in A school back in 1980!
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MCPO Roger Collins
MCPO Roger Collins
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We had transportation in 1957.
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PO3 John Wagner
PO3 John Wagner
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PO1 Edward Pate - I was there in 1980. Apparently you were too CHEAP to buy a round or I would have given you a lift...LOL
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PO1 Michael Turnbeaugh
PO1 Michael Turnbeaugh
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PO3 John Wagner - Chief Daugherty, you were lucky to get Michelob. PBR was the premium beer at sub school in '71 at $1.25 a pitcher and then we would shift to Reingold at $1 a pitcher.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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MSG David Rogers III I can only one Relate One Story, Some Fields advance much quicker than Others which makes for some entertaining situations. I was coming out of the Galley Corry Station in Uniform with a Toothpick in My Mouth. See this 2 Red Striping Chief coming up quick on my back side, You can tell He is about read me the Riot Act, Up Until he pulls up in front of Me and Sees 3 Gold Stripes. Very Politely reminds me that this is a "School" Environment and "We" Need to set the Right Example for the Junior Students. LOL. Most Polite Almost Ass Chewing I ever got. Nice Young Lad.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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Yes I could Have Lost my Gold Hash Marks on 2 Occasions, but I didn't.
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LCDR Vice President
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I am still upset that I was just a few days short of "Going Gold" and they would not waive it or let me delay my commissioning so I could make the shift. So close and yet so far.
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MSG David Rogers III
MSG David Rogers III
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Yes sir... but you got the "Gold" bar right after that, and finished with the "Gold" oak leaf! You're Golden in my book!
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LT Richard Mondak
LT Richard Mondak
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Same here... a few months short of Gold Stripes before Commissioning. I was a RED STRIPE CPO for 2 1/2 years.
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LT Richard Mondak - I guess we should be happy we got to retire as "O"s
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PO1 Cryptologic Technician (Technical)
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While it can be honorable to have gold stripes for a untouched career, there are some of those who may have to wait a bit longer to get them but their character, attention to duty and how they grown as a person in the Navy can be reflected. I've met a lot of people, including one of my RDCs who got into 3 fights in his career, but he still made Chief and proudly wears his red stripes. I know he's a good person and was rough around the edges; he makes a great role model for those looking.
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MCPO Roger Collins
MCPO Roger Collins
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What matters is excellence in your rating and leadership. The rest is fluff.
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Very much agree, Master Chief!
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PO1 Robert Johnson
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Some seniors saw gold only as a sign that you hadn't got caught but many of us, myself included, saw it as a result of working hard to reflect honor upon ourselves and the USN. Navy rules and regulations are often complex and confusing so a sailor has to stay sharp, put forth his/her best efforts and stay current with those rules and regulations. That's a lot of responsibility to carry for 12 years (3 enlistments) so the Navy recognizes your diligence assigning gold status to your uniform. When I was in, it also gave you points on your evals and when being selected for promotion.
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LCDR Aerospace Engineering Duty, Maintenance (AMDO and AMO)
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I don't mind the "everyone makes mistakes" mindset, but I have to shake my head when I see people romanticizing the red stripes and saying they're better Sailors than those who made it to gold.
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